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i don't really understand vegitarians who eat fish. once my friend got real mad cause I asked if fish grew on trees ( they were a vegitarian fish eater)
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TaintedKane wrote:bigbadsheep wrote:Redrose27 wrote:
dole and chiquita are to be avoided for a lot of reasons....their entire violent history in south and central america and their inhumane banana growth practises that cause great harm to the farmers they employ. god i hate these corporations. I tried giving up bananas for a while but i need a variety of fruits; now i just try to find non dole and non chiquita bananas...difficult to find
It's hard to find because they control the commercial markets and crush smaller producers. I did a project on this for World Issues. There was an attempt by small Caribbean banana exporters and the EU to lower taxes to make it easier for the Caribbean countries to export bananas to the EU. United Fruits(Dole & Chiquita) didn't like that so they took the countries to the World Trade Organization and they made it illegal for the EU to offer those breaks to the countries and not Chiquita. However at that same time United Fruit controlled something like 93% of the EU market while the Caribbean countries only accounted for something small like 5% of the market. I'm doing an essay/seminar in World Issues in Human Rights about those corporations too kool. Did you know that the brother of the secretary of state back when Eisenhower was president was head of CIA and was a former president of United Fruit Company like WOW!!!! Lots of corporational crap with Fruits in general Its actually funny/scary With meat its ohh nooo those poor animals but with Veges and Fruits not as many people say ohhh noooo those poor people I find it funny people who tell me I'm bad/unhealthy/and all that other crap for eating meat. There was a Vegan club at my school, and they held a week bashing meat and talking about alternatives, so me and my friend, the Student Council president organized a meat week, and had huge BBQs and all that over the lunches LOL, but I digress. Anyway these Vegans held video sessions of all those documentaries that talk about the nasty(literally) side of the meat industry and managed to convert some of the students. I have no problem with that, but I hate it when people ignore the fact that fruits and vegetables aren't safe either. I've seen the documentaries that talk about GMOs, about the Monsanto Corporation and their superseeds, about the health effects that the illegal Mexican pickers in the Southern US suffer as a result of the crap that is sprayed onto the crops and leaches into the water supply. Fact is, ALL of our food is tampered with, it's just easier to bash meat because you can make the cow and the chicken cute little mascots.
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bigbadsheep wrote:TaintedKane wrote:bigbadsheep wrote:Redrose27 wrote:
dole and chiquita are to be avoided for a lot of reasons....their entire violent history in south and central america and their inhumane banana growth practises that cause great harm to the farmers they employ. god i hate these corporations. I tried giving up bananas for a while but i need a variety of fruits; now i just try to find non dole and non chiquita bananas...difficult to find
It's hard to find because they control the commercial markets and crush smaller producers. I did a project on this for World Issues. There was an attempt by small Caribbean banana exporters and the EU to lower taxes to make it easier for the Caribbean countries to export bananas to the EU. United Fruits(Dole & Chiquita) didn't like that so they took the countries to the World Trade Organization and they made it illegal for the EU to offer those breaks to the countries and not Chiquita. However at that same time United Fruit controlled something like 93% of the EU market while the Caribbean countries only accounted for something small like 5% of the market. I'm doing an essay/seminar in World Issues in Human Rights about those corporations too kool. Did you know that the brother of the secretary of state back when Eisenhower was president was head of CIA and was a former president of United Fruit Company like WOW!!!! Lots of corporational crap with Fruits in general Its actually funny/scary With meat its ohh nooo those poor animals but with Veges and Fruits not as many people say ohhh noooo those poor people I find it funny people who tell me I'm bad/unhealthy/and all that other crap for eating meat. There was a Vegan club at my school, and they held a week bashing meat and talking about alternatives, so me and my friend, the Student Council president organized a meat week, and had huge BBQs and all that over the lunches LOL, but I digress. Anyway these Vegans held video sessions of all those documentaries that talk about the nasty(literally) side of the meat industry and managed to convert some of the students. I have no problem with that, but I hate it when people ignore the fact that fruits and vegetables aren't safe either. I've seen the documentaries that talk about GMOs, about the Monsanto Corporation and their superseeds, about the health effects that the illegal Mexican pickers in the Southern US suffer as a result of the crap that is sprayed onto the crops and leaches into the water supply. Fact is, ALL of our food is tampered with, it's just easier to bash meat because you can make the cow and the chicken cute little mascots. Nevertheless there are ways of obtaining (most) fresh vegetables and fruit from humane sources. A great many can be grown within Canada itself (where strict laws prevent the abuse you see in central american nations) and lots within your own community (unless you live up north i suppose). With animals though, there is no real way to get the meat without killing them. That's just the way it is. And if you are able to live healthy without having to kill something else, then why not do so? It's honestly not that hard.
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Redrose27 wrote:With animals though, there is no real way to get the meat without killing them. We have to kill the plants we eat too.
 
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Honestly, within any food source, either store bought or organically grown, the only way for you to know 100% what goes into your food is for you to grow your own food. Or to have your own small little organic farm where you can control what goes into your animal's food, thus knowing what goes into you. Since that is nearly impossible for students to have their own organic farm I guess the best way to stay away from processed foods is by buying your food and meat locally, so then it wont be a big deal to for you to ask what exactly goes into the animal feed, or what kind of fish is on for sale [whether or not its farmed fish or from wild sources]. Being vegetarian isnt that bad, just watch that you're getting the right amount of protein and iron that you lose when you stop eating meat. Going veggie won't save the animals, they are going to get killed anyway but its still your choice to eat what you like. There are animals that you can get that arent pumped full of hormones or chemicals in their feed, if that is the main concern for you ... you just got to know where to shop. Its all very strategic, you see. 
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I'm a pescetarian (vegetarian who eats fish). I only eat fish because my mother makes me. My parents are seriously carnivores, they have to have meat at like every meal. Especially red meat, but they usually eat like lamb and stuff. They get annoyed at me a lot, but I can't stand the thought of eating a little cute lamb, or a cow, or even a chicken. I wouldn't eat fish either, but they get mad if I don't. Same goes for my best friend. She's been a vegetarian 5 years, but she eats fish because her mother makes her, haha. I tried going vegan once, I couldn't do it. I realized it when I had my latte with soy instead of nonfat milk. Soy = 
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Redrose27 wrote:
With animals though, there is no real way to get the meat without killing them. That's just the way it is. And if you are able to live healthy without having to kill something else, then why not do so? It's honestly not that hard.
It depends on the definition of healthy though. For you, healthy may mean free from sickness and such. To me, as an athlete, healthy is having a good balance of body fat and muscle. To build muscle, I need meat, because I don't go for all that other powder crap to add to my food. I also try to make sure the meat that I cook is clean by going to either Kosher, Halal or Menonite markets. All their meats are free range and with Kosher and Halal, they are slaughtered cleanly.
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bigbadsheep wrote:Redrose27 wrote:
With animals though, there is no real way to get the meat without killing them. That's just the way it is. And if you are able to live healthy without having to kill something else, then why not do so? It's honestly not that hard.
It depends on the definition of healthy though. For you, healthy may mean free from sickness and such. To me, as an athlete, healthy is having a good balance of body fat and muscle. To build muscle, I need meat, because I don't go for all that other powder crap to add to my food. I also try to make sure the meat that I cook is clean by going to either Kosher, Halal or Menonite markets. All their meats are free range and with Kosher and Halal, they are slaughtered cleanly. I agree^. I've recently decided I'm going to try to only eat Kosher- and Halal- certified meat because that way I know the animal has been slaughtered cleanly and humanely.
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i've been a vegetarian practically all my life. i don even eat eggs and no fish either. i have eaten eggs when i was little for a while but now i just eat eggs if they are in cupcakes and such. u can be healthy being a vegetarian because pulses are very high in protein. also there is a large variety of vegetables and fruits available, and even more varieties of foods. try indian cuisine, specifically punjabi.
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bigbadsheep wrote:
I find it funny people who tell me I'm bad/unhealthy/and all that other crap for eating meat. There was a Vegan club at my school, and they held a week bashing meat and talking about alternatives, so me and my friend, the Student Council president organized a meat week, and had huge BBQs and all that over the lunches LOL, but I digress. Anyway these Vegans held video sessions of all those documentaries that talk about the nasty(literally) side of the meat industry and managed to convert some of the students. I have no problem with that, but I hate it when people ignore the fact that fruits and vegetables aren't safe either. I've seen the documentaries that talk about GMOs, about the Monsanto Corporation and their superseeds, about the health effects that the illegal Mexican pickers in the Southern US suffer as a result of the crap that is sprayed onto the crops and leaches into the water supply. Fact is, ALL of our food is tampered with, it's just easier to bash meat because you can make the cow and the chicken cute little mascots.
I also find it funny that people condemn people for eating other animals, because they are oh so valuable and innocent and deserve to live in happiness and peace and all that, just like humans. As living creatures, we are supposedly all equals. As if these valuable, innocent animals who are supposedly our equals (which in turn implies some form of morality, and possession of emotions - traits which are thought by many to be exclusive to human beings) don't play with, then kill, then eat each other. I tried to be a vegan once. I made tons of lists/bought all these tofu burgers (which become quite disgusting) and obscure organic free-run thingamagigs, which cost a fortune, and it made me feel super cool. But after I week just gave up. I wanted to be super healthy and vitalized and increase my life span and all that...but alas it didn't work out. Prolly due to the fact that I worked at McD's at the time, where yummy chicken nuggets/fries are right in front of you, and prolly also because my mom was totally freaking out at my refusal to eat meat, so purposely made a gazillion meaty things which I had no choice but to eat because I didn't know how to cook  . o well
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i think the majority of veg/vegan-failures occur because they resort to eating all those tofu burgers and healthy but definitely un-delicious stuff. i barely eat those; my mother is a terrific cook and i find that a lot of mediterranean cuisine is healthy and vegetarian (AND DELICIOUS!) and my mom also substitutes meat alternatives into regular recipes from other areas (middle east, china, korea, anywhere really) so that i get the nutrients i need while not sacrificing my desire to eat well. I've been veg since grade six now and don't regret it at all; it might be because i have a very supportive mother who actively tries to find me good, healthy, delicious recipes though. it'll be more difficult once i'm on my own since i barely cook
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i agree, i have a classmate who's vegetarian - but you couldn't even tell because all her meals are SO incredibly yummy+healthy (she sits beside me and always eats in class so i get to have some too hehe)
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lol, only the vegetarians I know would refer to meat as animal flesh... All the vegetarians I know are doing it for ethical reasons, so I pose this question to you: Would you eat test tube meat? Confused... Read about it here: http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2008/04/invitro_meatPersonally, I have no problem with meat. It's the way it's always been. Most meat consumed are from domesticated animals that wouldn't have been raised at all if no one wanted to eat meat. Like my music teacher once said (she's farm girl at heart): A pig would make a mighty expensive pet. I personally think the situation is a bit simular to the abortion of babies with genetic defeats (yes, I make the most bizzar connections). Do you deny the animals a chance at life even though you know their life would be flawed? But on the other hand, everyone can benefit from eating a bit less meat. It would help the environment (meat production has a giant ecological footprint), people would be healthier and countries would save money on healthcare.
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mooncancer907 wrote:lol, only the vegetarians I know would refer to meat as animal flesh... All the vegetarians I know are doing it for ethical reasons, so I pose this question to you: Would you eat test tube meat? Confused... Read about it here: http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2008/04/invitro_meatPersonally, I have no problem with meat. It's the way it's always been. Most meat consumed are from domesticated animals that wouldn't have been raised at all if no one wanted to eat meat. Like my music teacher once said (she's farm girl at heart): A pig would make a mighty expensive pet. I personally think the situation is a bit simular to the abortion of babies with genetic defeats (yes, I make the most bizzar connections). Do you deny the animals a chance at life even though you know their life would be flawed? But on the other hand, everyone can benefit from eating a bit less meat. It would help the environment (meat production has a giant ecological footprint), people would be healthier and countries would save money on healthcare. that article is really quite interesting and does pose a curious ethical question. personally as it is now i wouldn't eat it; just because i wouldn't know the side effects of that 'meat' and because i live just fine without any type of meat now as it is, animal, or genetically engineered
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mooncancer907 wrote:lol, only the vegetarians I know would refer to meat as animal flesh... All the vegetarians I know are doing it for ethical reasons, so I pose this question to you: Would you eat test tube meat? Confused... Read about it here: http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2008/04/invitro_meatPersonally, I have no problem with meat. It's the way it's always been. Most meat consumed are from domesticated animals that wouldn't have been raised at all if no one wanted to eat meat. Like my music teacher once said (she's farm girl at heart): A pig would make a mighty expensive pet. I personally think the situation is a bit simular to the abortion of babies with genetic defeats (yes, I make the most bizzar connections). Do you deny the animals a chance at life even though you know their life would be flawed? But on the other hand, everyone can benefit from eating a bit less meat. It would help the environment (meat production has a giant ecological footprint), people would be healthier and countries would save money on healthcare. Test tube meat, that sounds REALLY healthy MMMMMMM  And what do you mean by "people would be healthier and countries would save money on healthcare"? Meat doesn't make you unhealthy, the choices one makes about meat makes you unhealthy (this isn't a gun's dont kill people, people kill people argument btw). If you choose proper meat, and not GMOd, warehouse raised livestock, meat can be very beneficial to your overall health. Proper meat gives you lots of proteins, iron, and other nutrients that you need. I'm not denying that you can't get the same from veggies, but I'm not a rabbit. Don't get me wrong, I eat veggies and all that, just don't sub the meat.
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C.Thompson wrote:I have been studying Nutrition and the Standard American (Canadian) Diet - Also known as SAD- and to be honest it is very sad indeed!
After doing quite a bit of research, reading many different books, theories, etc, I believe that many of the health problems of today, such as Cancer, MS, Depression, etc are all caused by the SAD!
Hundreds of chemicals, preservatives and hormones are being injected into our foods and I don't believe God created our bodies to ingest such harmful substances... as a result, I am looking at becoming a Vegetarian (only eating fish ocasionally and it will only be organic or I will catch it myself in the summer time) as well as giving up sugar & processed foods.
I was wondering what others oppions are about Vegetarianism/ the SAD diet of today? I don't know if God should be brought into it, but in general, scientifically, we can see what was meant to be in our bodies, by looking at results. You eat too much fat = bad. You eat vegetables all day = bad. You eat candy all day = bad. etc. Just go by any good food guide, and make sure you get daily values in nutrients. It's really that simple. I love meat, but from a more logical perspective, it's just as irresponsible to give up meat is it is vegetables. You need many things in meat that you can't get anywhere else but a pill.. Moderation
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i dont think i could ever stop eating meat...its too yummy =)
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For real.
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I've been vegetarian for about two years now and am loving it. I never really felt right about eating meat (there's just something very disturbing about eating something that was once living), so it was definitely the right choice for me. I would say I do it for ethical, health, and environmental reasons Plus, being a vegetarian has opened up a whole new culinary world for me! I really enjoy exploring and trying new foods.. faux meat has been very interesting and delicious!
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I definitely support and respect the idea behind being vegetarian, and I say if you have the conviction/will-power to do it, go for it! I'm too weak and too hooked on meat to ever make such a decision (I don't eat meat very often just because it's expensive, but I do enjoy it when I have it), but I entirely support it.
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