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I have been studying Nutrition and the Standard American (Canadian) Diet - Also known as SAD- and to be honest it is very sad indeed!
After doing quite a bit of research, reading many different books, theories, etc, I believe that many of the health problems of today, such as Cancer, MS, Depression, etc are all caused by the SAD!
Hundreds of chemicals, preservatives and hormones are being injected into our foods and I don't believe God created our bodies to ingest such harmful substances... as a result, I am looking at becoming a Vegetarian (only eating fish ocasionally and it will only be organic or I will catch it myself in the summer time) as well as giving up sugar & processed foods.
I was wondering what others oppions are about Vegetarianism/ the SAD diet of today?
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Too much of what you just wrote is based on beliefs. I would not change my diet based on an unfounded hunch.
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So you want to go vegetarian because you think the standard diet of heavily processed foods is bad? Really the two issues are independent - it's possible to subsist on processed crap as a vegetarian too, and it's possible to avoid it and eat meat. I'm reading "The Omnivore's Dilemma" right now, and it's suggesting that many of the health problems associated with red meat may really be health problems associated with corn fed cows pumped with hormones and antibiotics, and wouldn't be a problem with cows fed on primarily grass and not packed together on a feedlot sitting in their own manure all day.
 
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I still fail to see how turning Vegen would help prevent the ingestion of potentially harmful hormones unless you're planning to go full organic. Vegetables and fruit are just as bad as meat, so it's really a matter of pick your poison these days. Think about it, how are those nice juicy, plump red tomatoes able to sit on grocery shelves for over a week and a half? Real grown tomatoes start to become soft after 4 days of the vine. Fruitwise, apples aren't supposed to be that shiny red colour, a good apple is usually more of an opaque red, and bananas aren't supposed to be that yellowy-green colour, I've lived in the Caribbean where I've seen real bananas, even the fresh ones have black spots on them fresh off the tree. Alot of the things you buy at the grocery, and even to some degree the farmer's market have been processed or GMOd so it doesn't really make that much difference to me.
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I have many friends who are vegetarian. I was vegetarian for a very short while after seeing a gruesome movie but I gave up. I just don't feel as full and it feels like any exercise I do is wasted if I don't eat meat. I'm not saying I eat greasy burgers, but nothing wrong with salmon, lean turkey & chicken, etc.
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Shismo wrote:I have many friends who are vegetarian. I was vegetarian for a very short while after seeing a gruesome movie but I gave up. I just don't feel as full and it feels like any exercise I do is wasted if I don't eat meat. I'm not saying I eat greasy burgers, but nothing wrong with salmon, lean turkey & chicken, etc. Usually fish is the healthiest type of meat. My dad eats mostly Salmon since he got diabetes. I don't think there is anything wrong with eating meat beacuse well its a food chain but you gotta remember that vegetables and fruits are more healthy and you should eat more of those than meat. Given I do trail away once in a while and eat unhealthy things. As for vegetarians and vegans I've known people that were vegetarian then couldn't do it anymore. I have no problem with them. I've seen a few movies that will gross you out like Fast Food Nation (actually did a project on that and wasn't aloud to show the movie in class though  ) I'll end it there
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i've been vegetarian for personal ethical reasons since sixth grade, so it'll be about 7 years continuous now that i haven't had any sort of animal flesh (or products like lard, gelatin, etc.). It's actually not that hard and there are so many fantastic recipes i don't feel like i've missed out on anything. It's not that difficult really.
Btw if you abstain from other meat but still eat fish, then it's not vegetarian. It would be pescetarian (sp?). Vegetarians don't eat the flesh of any animal, and fish are animals.
But if its for strictly health reasons you're doing it then it is a step in the right direction. I grow vegetables in my garden when the weather permits and those are organic. Farmer's markets are other good places to buy foods that often have little pesticides used on them (you'll find a mixture anywhere but i find that some local producers specifically appeal to people looking for 'organics' so there are people out there who produce what you're looking for. It might be a little more expensive and inconvenient to get to than your local food basics or superstore but i think it's worth it, as long as you don't go crazy overboard).
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I've always wondered, can/do vegetarians eat cookies even though eggs are a main ingredient?
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kyleh wrote:I've always wondered, can/do vegetarians eat cookies even though eggs are a main ingredient? Most people who consider themselves vegetarian have no problem eating eggs or dairy products or other animal products that don't involve killing the animal (and many are probably just avoiding meat and not things like gelatin etc). It's vegans who avoid all animal products. For vegans, first off, it is possible to substitute animal products in baking (although sometimes not without significantly altering taste/texture). Beyond that, I'm sure there are people who are very strict and will not eat something unless there are absolutely sure it doesn't have animal products in trace amounts (which effectively means they can't eat much in the way of "normal" food), but I'm also sure there are people who don't concern themselves with eggs, butter, etc. in food other people prepare for them. I sometimes look at a food blog by someone who describes herself as a casual vegan - she calls herself that because she doesn't rely on animal products for nutrition, but will occaisonally eat them (even meat) and doesn't worry about the small quantities contained in most baking.
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I do not understand how you can refrain yourself from not eating meats....it's juicy tender sometimes bloody ..But for real I work In the produce In my grocery store "Food Basics" and I find alot of the produce that we do get in Is super fresh sometimes right off the boat from guatamala <----can't spell ) Like our bananas and tomatoes for the person who said tomatoes last for about a week straight in the store....ya they can and it's not because what we use to prolong the life of our tomatoe lol we put them in the cooler and WALA fresh for the next day. not so much bananas and usually are bananas come in green as grass they change to that yellow colour really fast because....I completely forget but when they are still in the box there is a gas in the box that keeps them from going and as soon as you remove the box top and the plastic lining the gases are released and the banana starts to ripen into a tasty snack ! P.S BACON IS LIFE 
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kyleh wrote:I've always wondered, can/do vegetarians eat cookies even though eggs are a main ingredient? Depends on what type of vegetarian you are. I know some "vegetarians" who eat fish. Doesn't make sense to me... But some eat eggs & dairys, others abstain from it.
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Shismo wrote:kyleh wrote:I've always wondered, can/do vegetarians eat cookies even though eggs are a main ingredient? Depends on what type of vegetarian you are. I know some "vegetarians" who eat fish. Doesn't make sense to me... But some eat eggs & dairys, others abstain from it. 'vegetarians' who eat fish are not vegetarians; they're pescatarians (sp?) Vegetarians do not eat anything that an animal was killed for you to have---e.g. no meat (that includes fish!), no gelatin, no lard, etc. but within vegetarians there are different subgroups: -ovo vegetarians don't eat any animal products other than eggs - lacto vegetarians don't eat any animal products other than dairy ones - lacto-ovo vegetarians don't eat any animal products other than dairy and eggs (products that are derived from animals but which animals are not killed to obtain Vegans do not eat any sort of animal product whatsoever---meat, dairy, eggs, even honey are all abstained from
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Redrose27 wrote:
'vegetarians' who eat fish are not vegetarians; they're pescatarians (sp?)
Vegetarians do not eat anything that an animal was killed for you to have---e.g. no meat (that includes fish!), no gelatin, no lard, etc. but within vegetarians there are different subgroups:
-ovo vegetarians don't eat any animal products other than eggs
- lacto vegetarians don't eat any animal products other than dairy ones
- lacto-ovo vegetarians don't eat any animal products other than dairy and eggs (products that are derived from animals but which animals are not killed to obtain
Vegans do not eat any sort of animal product whatsoever---meat, dairy, eggs, even honey are all abstained from
Thanks for the breakdown, didn't realize it was like that.
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Wally(dreads) wrote:I do not understand how you can refrain yourself from not eating meats....it's juicy tender sometimes bloody ..But for real I work In the produce In my grocery store "Food Basics" and I find alot of the produce that we do get in Is super fresh sometimes right off the boat from guatamala <----can't spell ) Like our bananas and tomatoes for the person who said tomatoes last for about a week straight in the store....ya they can and it's not because what we use to prolong the life of our tomatoe lol we put them in the cooler and WALA fresh for the next day. not so much bananas and usually are bananas come in green as grass they change to that yellow colour really fast because....I completely forget but when they are still in the box there is a gas in the box that keeps them from going and as soon as you remove the box top and the plastic lining the gases are released and the banana starts to ripen into a tasty snack ! P.S BACON IS LIFE I didn't mean what you guys do in the store to keep them so long, most of that stuff is actually GMOd as it's being grown using fish cells and other weird crap, so that when it is picked and shipped it's able to sit on the shelf longer. And I'm telling you that personally seeing bananas being grown, I know that the stuff that Chiquita and Dole (who are run by the same people BTW  ) are selling have been messed around with, because as you say there is a preservative in the box that when the bananas are exposed to air they ripen quickly,i'm telling you, that AIN"T natural. So what I was saying was in response to the original post where they said that they were turned off meat because of the crap that goes into it, well our fruits n vegetables are not that much better. With that being said, you'd be hard pressed to get me off my meat LOL. I love a nice medium-well steak or a nice rack of BBQ Ribs or some fried chicken MMMMMMMM  . I've even seen the documentaries about what is done in raising and processing chickens and cows, discussed and researched the conditions in which they are raised and all that, and I STILL crave meat. There is so much fear being pumped into us these days that it seems like almost everything is bad for you. I don't smoke, drink in moderation, get regular excercise and live an otherwise healthy lifestyle, so I'm not giving up my meat just because there is a slight chance of getting sick from some weird bug that the broken legged,blind chicken sitting in its own feces may or may not have picked up. P.S. the last part of that line is meant as sarcasm. I drive an hour from my house to the Menonite Village and purchase free range chickens, I like meat, but getting some weird virus is definitely not cool LOL.
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bigbadsheep wrote:Wally(dreads) wrote:I do not understand how you can refrain yourself from not eating meats....it's juicy tender sometimes bloody ..But for real I work In the produce In my grocery store "Food Basics" and I find alot of the produce that we do get in Is super fresh sometimes right off the boat from guatamala <----can't spell ) Like our bananas and tomatoes for the person who said tomatoes last for about a week straight in the store....ya they can and it's not because what we use to prolong the life of our tomatoe lol we put them in the cooler and WALA fresh for the next day. not so much bananas and usually are bananas come in green as grass they change to that yellow colour really fast because....I completely forget but when they are still in the box there is a gas in the box that keeps them from going and as soon as you remove the box top and the plastic lining the gases are released and the banana starts to ripen into a tasty snack ! P.S BACON IS LIFE I didn't mean what you guys do in the store to keep them so long, most of that stuff is actually GMOd as it's being grown using fish cells and other weird crap, so that when it is picked and shipped it's able to sit on the shelf longer. And I'm telling you that personally seeing bananas being grown, I know that the stuff that Chiquita and Dole (who are run by the same people BTW ) are selling have been messed around with, because as you say there is a preservative in the box that when the bananas are exposed to air they ripen quickly,i'm telling you, that AIN"T natural. So what I was saying was in response to the original post where they said that they were turned off meat because of the crap that goes into it, well our fruits n vegetables are not that much better. With that being said, you'd be hard pressed to get me off my meat LOL. I love a nice medium-well steak or a nice rack of BBQ Ribs or some fried chicken MMMMMMMM . I've even seen the documentaries about what is done in raising and processing chickens and cows, discussed and researched the conditions in which they are raised and all that, and I STILL crave meat. There is so much fear being pumped into us these days that it seems like almost everything is bad for you. I don't smoke, drink in moderation, get regular excercise and live an otherwise healthy lifestyle, so I'm not giving up my meat just because there is a slight chance of getting sick from some weird bug that the broken legged,blind chicken sitting in its own feces may or may not have picked up. P.S. the last part of that line is meant as sarcasm. I drive an hour from my house to the Menonite Village and purchase free range chickens, I like meat, but getting some weird virus is definitely not cool LOL. dole and chiquita are to be avoided for a lot of reasons....their entire violent history in south and central america and their inhumane banana growth practises that cause great harm to the farmers they employ. god i hate these corporations. I tried giving up bananas for a while but i need a variety of fruits; now i just try to find non dole and non chiquita bananas...difficult to find
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I love meet, red meet, white meet, fish meet... I'm especially a huge fan of red meet. I read a book; "eating for your blood type". Type O people like myself tend to crave and need red meet more than others. With that said going vegitarian/vegan may be harder for people with say Blood type O than for some one with type AB. I have days where I eat completely vegitarian, not as a choice, sometimes it's just what I have in the fridge, and that's cool with me, but under no circumstance would I be able to do so for say a week straight. Also if you are planning to become vegitarian remember that it would be best to consult a nutritionist/dietician as you are going to have to intake certain fruits/veggies/legumes to replace the goodness of meet products. You may also have to include vitamins in pill for to replace those essential nutrients, and fats that meet provides. One more thing, more than meet, fruits and veggies are much more genetically altered in many cases, the good thing is that finding organic fruits and veggies is easy peasy!!
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mmm salmon.
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Redrose27 wrote:
dole and chiquita are to be avoided for a lot of reasons....their entire violent history in south and central america and their inhumane banana growth practises that cause great harm to the farmers they employ. god i hate these corporations. I tried giving up bananas for a while but i need a variety of fruits; now i just try to find non dole and non chiquita bananas...difficult to find
It's hard to find because they control the commercial markets and crush smaller producers. I did a project on this for World Issues. There was an attempt by small Caribbean banana exporters and the EU to lower taxes to make it easier for the Caribbean countries to export bananas to the EU. United Fruits(Dole & Chiquita) didn't like that so they took the countries to the World Trade Organization and they made it illegal for the EU to offer those breaks to the countries and not Chiquita. However at that same time United Fruit controlled something like 93% of the EU market while the Caribbean countries only accounted for something small like 5% of the market.
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i was a vegetarian for 3 years. (now i eat chicken), but i thinks it's crazy how food effects me. what i eat, is what i feel like. if i have a slice of pizza, i feel like a giant lazy grease-ball. if i have an orange, within minutes i feel more awake and energetic.
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bigbadsheep wrote:Redrose27 wrote:
dole and chiquita are to be avoided for a lot of reasons....their entire violent history in south and central america and their inhumane banana growth practises that cause great harm to the farmers they employ. god i hate these corporations. I tried giving up bananas for a while but i need a variety of fruits; now i just try to find non dole and non chiquita bananas...difficult to find
It's hard to find because they control the commercial markets and crush smaller producers. I did a project on this for World Issues. There was an attempt by small Caribbean banana exporters and the EU to lower taxes to make it easier for the Caribbean countries to export bananas to the EU. United Fruits(Dole & Chiquita) didn't like that so they took the countries to the World Trade Organization and they made it illegal for the EU to offer those breaks to the countries and not Chiquita. However at that same time United Fruit controlled something like 93% of the EU market while the Caribbean countries only accounted for something small like 5% of the market. I'm doing an essay/seminar in World Issues in Human Rights about those corporations too kool. Did you know that the brother of the secretary of state back when Eisenhower was president was head of CIA and was a former president of United Fruit Company like WOW!!!! Lots of corporational crap with Fruits in general Its actually funny/scary With meat its ohh nooo those poor animals but with Veges and Fruits not as many people say ohhh noooo those poor people
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