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Can't post in here anymore. Just when I thought this forum couldn't get any worse.
I guess we did come to these conclusions conclusion though:
-every company is just looking to hire engineers since they are more qualified than business students
-engineering is somehow weeds out more students despite the graduation rate being higher
-Stringer
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Oh no who will be here to argue when Stringer leaves?
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Stringer wrote:Can't post in here anymore. Just when I thought this forum couldn't get any worse.
I guess we did come to these conclusions conclusion though:
-every company is just looking to hire engineers since they are more qualified than business students
-engineering is somehow weeds out more students despite the graduation rate being higher Stringer, you need to calm down and actually read what I wrote. Unless you're responding to Cesear and just decided to ignore my post.
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BTW I can't believe no one has stated the obvious yet:
Not every company needs engineers, in fact most retail companies don't need 'em, most service companies don't need 'em and almost all the manufacturing based jobs are drying up in the western world.
On the other hand, every company NEEDS businesspeople of all types to conduct, well, business.
It needs people to account, manage, consult, look after finances, market the product etc.
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qwertqwert wrote:Stringer wrote:Can't post in here anymore. Just when I thought this forum couldn't get any worse.
I guess we did come to these conclusions conclusion though:
-every company is just looking to hire engineers since they are more qualified than business students
-engineering is somehow weeds out more students despite the graduation rate being higher Stringer, you need to calm down and actually read what I wrote. Unless you're responding to Cesear and just decided to ignore my post. Your posts are idiotic. Why would I bother responding to something that is based entirely on your perceptions of programs? I came to the table with facts. You came to the table with this garbage: qwertqwert wrote:People go for business because there isn't a cutoff in terms of the skill you need (like there is for say, medicine).
Very competitive business programs, yes, but not business in general. Business also has the reputation of being an better way to make money compared to arts degrees, so everyone who isn't really exceptional at anything just end up going into business.
qwertqwert wrote:Quote:Maybe they choose business because...they're interested in it? Maybe you did. However, other than the "top" programs, business is not difficult to be accepted to, and is a "fall back" for many people who don't know what else to do and have no particular skill in any field. Quote:LOL. I guess Business doesn't weed out enough kids though. Business has a lower graduation rate...so what? That seems to prove the other guys point...
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And your posts are any different Stringer. You love to claim that you use 'facts' when really you selectively choose and manipulate information
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Stringer wrote:Can't post in here anymore. Just when I thought this forum couldn't get any worse.
I guess we did come to these conclusions conclusion though:
-every company is just looking to hire engineers since they are more qualified than business students
-engineering is somehow weeds out more students despite the graduation rate being higher I never said engineers are better for business jobs than business grads. Obviously, I didn't say an engineer would be good for accounting. What I said is that a lot of slackers manage to graduate business, while engineers work harder during school. Like I said my management class has 78% class average, friend's algebra class is like 40%. Where did you get your statistic about the graduation rate?
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Caesar wrote:Stringer wrote:Can't post in here anymore. Just when I thought this forum couldn't get any worse.
I guess we did come to these conclusions conclusion though:
-every company is just looking to hire engineers since they are more qualified than business students
-engineering is somehow weeds out more students despite the graduation rate being higher I never said engineers are better for business jobs than business grads. Obviously, I didn't say an engineer would be good for accounting. What I said is that a lot of slackers manage to graduate business, while engineers work harder during school. Like I said my management class has 78% class average, friend's algebra class is like 40%. Where did you get your statistic about the graduation rate? Universities list graduation rates. My point is you have absolutely no basis for your assumption that engineering is more demanding than business. The facts that are available don't suggest that whatsoever.
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Well I think people underestimate the Rotman Commerce program
at U of T you have to take Calulus Linear Algebra for finance or
its equivalent first year to get into the Rotman Commerce Program,
also statistics is also required ot obtain the BComm which is a difficult
course, also Rotman Commerce has many networks to the finance sector,
so you not only get a career from Rotmans but you make connections to the
business world and learn how to invest capital, thats why I am choosing to
take Rotman Commerce and its not because I am not skilled in anything else
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karla wrote:And your posts are any different Stringer. You love to claim that you use 'facts' when really you selectively choose and manipulate information No, I actually use and interpret facts. You just hatin cause I called you out on your boyfriend being a duster.
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Stringer wrote:karla wrote:And your posts are any different Stringer. You love to claim that you use 'facts' when really you selectively choose and manipulate information No, I actually use and interpret facts. You just hatin cause I called you out on your boyfriend being a duster. Hahahahhaha I enjoyed that comment immensely.
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Quote:I came to the table with facts. Facts? Facts like "the graduation rate for business is lower therefore it's more demanding." Right, so theology and fine arts are the most difficult program at UofT, then? Facts like "hay but an average in this class of mine I had was low, therefore engineering is a not a more demanding program than business" (despite the fact that this is a notorious fact known by nearly anyone in university). Facts like "the entrace averages are the same, so the difficulty is the same" (except oh wait, the prerequisites are different). The problem here is that you are calm and factual until it's about something that's negatively related to you, then suddenly it's all emotional and defensive.
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qwertqwert wrote:Quote:I came to the table with facts. Facts? Facts like "the graduation rate for business is lower therefore it's more demanding." Right, so theology and fine arts are the most difficult program at UofT, then? Facts like "hay but an average in this class of mine was low, therefore engineering is a not a more difficult program than business" (despite the fact that this is a notorious fact known by nearly anyone in university). Facts like "the entrace averages are the same, so the difficulty is the same" (except oh wait, the prerequisites are different). The problem here is that you are calm and factual until it's about something that's negatively related to you, then suddenly it's all emotional and defensive. Again, until you come to the table with facts how are you going to attack my method of reasoning? Obviously statistics do not exist that prove my point. I used what statistics are available to come up with a reasonable statement. So let's hear you prove this beauty statement of yours: qwertqwert wrote:People go for business because there isn't a cutoff in terms of the skill you need (like there is for say, medicine).
Very competitive business programs, yes, but not business in general. Business also has the reputation of being an better way to make money compared to arts degrees, so everyone who isn't really exceptional at anything just end up going into business.
qwertqwert wrote:Quote:Maybe they choose business because...they're interested in it? Maybe you did. However, other than the "top" programs, business is not difficult to be accepted to, and is a "fall back" for many people who don't know what else to do and have no particular skill in any field.
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Um. the fact of the matter is that business is a wide open field. So I'm pretty sure that's why there are a lot of people who go into business.
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That just shows you why you cant argue with qwertqwert.
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STOP.
Go back to my original argument.
The topic was are there too many business kids. And I said no, since the average salary for business graduates is high. Then someone posted statistics proving that the average salary for engineering is higher. I argued that engineering is higher because employers just look at their degree since their courseload is quite rigorous. But, business degree is useless without networking and co-op experience.
Proof that engineering is harder than business:
1. Most commerce courses have consistently higher average than science/math courses. 1st year management 70-80%. 1st year engineering physics 50%.
2. Most people taking commerce fail at courses such as Calculus and Economics. Few fail for management courses.
3. Less credits per term. Less credits means less work.
Stringer has manipulated the argument into one which my original argument nor evidence supported. I never said engineering people are more likely to be hired than business graduates. I never said business graduates are always dumber than engineering graduates. I'm simply saying it's harder to graduate with an engi degree than commerce. Is that a false or offending statement?
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^ What kind of proof is that?
I think it's funny you guys are arguing over something none of you can possibly provide any actual support for.
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i think its funny too.
how many of you have actually gone through at least a whole year of university? what about two? and taken an upper year course in those disciplines?
No? then please keep your opinions to yourself.
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Caesar wrote:I'm simply saying it's harder to graduate with an engi degree than commerce. Is that a false or offending statement? actually why don't you change that to "It's going to be harder for me to grduate with an engineering degree than commerce because I suck at math and physics."
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I didn't mean to hurt your feelings, GGG. By the way, why not compare the first year courses of an engineering program versus a business program to evaluate their difficulty. I wonder which one that would be more favorable towards. Stringer: Quote:Again, until you come to the table with facts how are you going to attack my method of reasoning? Obviously statistics do not exist that prove my point. I used what statistics are available to come up with a reasonable statement. No you didn't. You can see this by the fact that rather than responding to specific things I say, you continue to simply copy and paste my first posts in this thread. In other words, changing the subject, rather than defending the points you made in earlier discussion. I've asked three times now whether you agree that theology and fine arts are more difficult than medicine and dentistry because the graduation rate is lower. According to your logic that states that because engineering and business have similar graduation rates, that immediately means their difficulty is comparable. Then there's the idiotic notion that because the entrance averages are the same, that means they are of similar difficulty. Regardless of the fact that the prerequisite courses are different. Do you think entrance averages to fine arts programs being similar to engineering mean that they are of the same difficulty too?
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