i see where ur going, but business do separte people also. WLU bba kicks out people who doesn't meet the grades.(B- average), which is around 30% of 1st years.

I think western also kicks out 30% since they only take in top 70% of the class to 2nd year. (i heard this somewhere)


as far as i know, fail in wlu bba is below B-, 70%. NOT 50%.

Business is not weak.

ACCOUNTING Is WEAK!? I guess that's why average salary of Chartered Accountants is 160k, right? they get paid to do easy work that anyone in engineering are capable of doing.

You think business is easy to get high marks in, but its not.

Alot of people drop out in engineering because it's not right for them, or they suck at it. if you dont like physics, you shouldn't be taking engineering. If you do like physics, then you should be succeeding in engineering.

Hey, I can make assumptions too! ANY FIELD OTHER THAN BUSINESS IS NOT DIFFICULT TO BE ACCEPTED TO, AND IS A "FALL BACK" FOR MANY PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO DO AND HAVE NO PARTICULAR SKILL IN ANY FIELD. See how meaningless it sounds?

No... it proves Stringer's point. The other guy said that business fails to separate the "good" students from the "bad" relative to engineering, and since the graduation rate of business is lower, it indicates that business does in fact weed out the bad apples of the bunch.

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University of Toronto 2012
Victoria College

Stringer most of your posts have been very valid and have had good points. But the entering grade into Uni for Comm vs Engineering CANNOT be compared. The prerequisites for engineering are Chem, Physics, Calc, Functions, English. Prerequisites for business is just two maths(could be data), and English. My friends who are trying to get into business just simply take the easiest highschool courses they can, usually two U/M courses, to boost their average. People entering engineering DONT have that option. That is the difference, so dont talk about entering grades out of highschool, all my friends thinking about business have JOKE classes that they dont even go to sometimes.

Yes and the fact he chose UofT business might come into play, as some student may try and switch into a program like the Richard Ivy School of Business after 2nd year, which is more prestigous than Uof T. People would not do this with engineering as UofT is considered top tier. This may only stand for a small small percentile but should be considered.

Is this a joke? Are you being sarcastic or something? I can't tell, so:

The entering average for Commerce students is higher because the prerequisites for Engineering are MUCH more difficult than the prerequisites for Commerce. Of course their averages would be lower. It would be concerning if Commerce undergrads didn't have a higher entering average than Engineers.

Furthermore, it can also mean that it is easier to get into Commerce than in Engineering, therefore most Engineering students who are accepted in the first place have the chops to continue through until the end, compared to Commerce students.

Either way that was the worst logic I have ever seen in my life.

Really, Stringer.



"Easy" is a relative term.

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Meatball Engineering '12
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Ultimately, you are quite ignorant.

Intelligence-wise, i don't see a single top-school business student being any less than a top-school eng. If anything, our entrance averages are higher.
Social skills wise, Business is focused on soft skills. Hell, part of our course are about presentation, communications, leadership, etc
Value-wise, from a corporate sense? from a financial perspective? F- I don't even want to get in there...


um two things.

First, These reports are really inaccurate. People in marketing, etc earn a large portion of their income from bonuses, so base salaries aren't good indicators of a job's wages. I'm sure this is true for engineering consultants, etc. That's why we shouldn't compare on pure numbers, because there are many unpresented factors that influence real income.

Second, i recommend you google up "outlier". The $150,000 ones aren't called outliers. They're called I-bankers, managment consultants, etc. It's part of business. It's what many of us want to do. Just because our salaries vary more than engineers doesnt make our top jobs outliers. Can I call the top-paying engineer jobs outliers too?

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Queen's Commerce '12

Just for kicks, my prerequisites were maths, english, physics and chemestry. Is that easy? i guess not, since they are engineer prerequisites, right? Am I suppose to be better than the other business people now because I got in with eng prereqs? Because if i am, i certainly don't see it. Be cynical about the stats, but know that people in business aren't inferior (there are many, many true geniuses here), nor do we get it easy.

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Queen's Commerce '12

I like how you try to underplay that. Almost all engineering programs require physics and chemistry along with calculus and functions. "A science or two" is not a throwaway thing. Furthermore, these are prerequisites that affect your entrance average regardless of top 6, which means there is only one space open for another course apart from these.



Even if they do (and I do not believe that the majority does), the fact that they are not prerequisites affects entrance averages differently.

As for engineering specifically, yes, I think if you compare, for example, the first year courses and requirements between engineering and business, it will be quite obvious which is more difficult and it would be silly to deny that. For example, in a general eng first year, a student would be taking physics, chemistry, linear algebra, calculus, engineering design, computer science, or a similar set in one year. What do business students take first year? Do you think it's comparable in difficulty?

Now, Stringer, I wanted to hear your explanation of how theology is more difficult than medicine because of higher drop out rates.



I don't think you know what prerequisites means. You only took four courses? Prerequisites are mandatory courses which are counted in your average regardless of "top 6".



Not denying that. People need to stop being emotional. If someone says that on average, business programs are less demanding and less difficult, that doesn't mean ""OH MY GOD HE SAID ALL BUSINESS PEOPLE ARE MORONS"". You don't need to be personally offended.



Again, it's all relative.

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Meatball Engineering '12
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What I mean is that engineering separates the people. An analogy:

You have a bunch of students age 13-19.
You want to see their math skills, so you can give him two possible tests, a test on fractions, addition and subtraction or another on algebra, functions, and geometry.
Everyone's probably going to ace the first test. So you found nothing, except that they all know fraction and addition. But the second test tells you more, it's going to tell you who knows all the stuff, but also it's going to reveal a whole range of scores which allows you to identify who's good, ok, and bad.

Basically, to employers a simple business degree (like test 1) doesn't mean alot. That's why for business co-op and networking is so important during university.
On the other hand, engineering courseload is a lot harder (more credits, much harder courses, relativity versus management...) so it's like survivor those who actually managed to graduate with a degree in engineering science probably has the brains and skills to be useful to the employer.

I'm not saying business graduates are stupid, but the degree is too easy to "weed" out the ones who aren't very smart or motivated to work hard. I have a lot of slackers in my business classes, they party all day all night, and guess what they still have higher grades than my engineering friends... How can say, an accounting firm tell the difference between someone who worked hard and a slacker by just their degree? We get to use a "cheat sheet" for a management course that's all multiple choice. No one's going to fail that, the class average for mid-term was 78. For engineering, my friend's algebra class average was 40.



Business obviously, but then the engineers can build a time machine to travel back to university application

This thread actually makes me laugh.

First you have Stringer and qwertqwert's ridiculous argument.

And then you bring in Elusive being super offended because she's in business.

Than we have Caesar with irrelevant examples.