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Tuition prices: Fair or Stealing? Options
YellowBug7
Posted: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 12:58:09 PM
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Anyone wonder where all our money goes once we pay our tuition? I mean we pay $10,000 plus a year (if we're lucky) and are in school less than a high school student. Even residence is expensive. Why is it that if you share with one other person it's $4,000 and if you share with three other people it's still $4,000? Shouldn't the price go down if you share with more people?

If you really think about it, the money you pay for tuition per semester is one month's pay for a Professor. Now I completely understand that the Professor's need to be paid for their hard work, but please, please, please don't make the minimum wage barely-hanging-in-their young students suffer.

PLEASE -- Voice YOU'RE opinion...

Let me know how YOU feel.


Stringer
Posted: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 1:00:20 PM

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Where are you paying $10,000+ for tuition? It costs me about $5000 for tuition and books.

-Stringer
undfned
Posted: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 1:40:30 PM
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Stringer wrote:
Where are you paying $10,000+ for tuition? It costs me about $5000 for tuition and books.


I think the $10,000+ yellowbug is talking about includes res.
aibrean
Posted: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 4:14:11 PM

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I believe some engineering programs cost around the 10,000 mark per year.

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Tsukune
Posted: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 6:24:48 PM

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After I finish college I'm going to have a 100,000 doller dept because of the BA I'm after (4 years of schooling for this one plus a manditory 1 year prep class).
ScienceBoy12
Posted: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 6:45:55 PM

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This is a list of sample universities from Maclean's 2006 Rankings

Tuition - University
CDN $
1,668 - Laval (Quebec Students) flower
1,668 - Montreal
1,668 - McGill (Quebec Students)
2,991 - Winnipeg
3,277 - Manitoba
4,130 - Nippising
4,174 - UBC
4,268 - Windsor
4,319 - McMaster
4,326 - Western
4,350 - Ottawa
4,339 - Carleton
4,351 - Brock
4,371 - York
4,372 - Guelph
4,372 - Ryerson
4,372 - Wilfrid Laurier
4,372 - Trent
4,373 - Toronto
4,382 - Queen's
4,384 - Waterloo
4,411 - Victoria
4,416 - Saskatechewan (Arts)
4,580 - Calgary
4,591 - UBC (Science)
4,651 - Laval (Out-of-Province Students)
4,651 - Montreal (Out-of-Province)
4,914 - McGill (Out-of-Province)
4,920 - UPEI
5,246 - New Brunswick
5,550 - Mount Sait Vincent (Science)
6,030 - Dalhousie (Arts)
6,205 - St. Francis Xavier
6,405 - Mount Allison
6,840 - Dalhousie (Science)
8,062 - Acadia erm

Mind you, this is only tuition. So, Compulsory ancillary fees, residences, and other expenses are NOT included. So from the list, Acadia is the most expensive school to go to and the most cheapest schools? You have to be a Quebec resident to get at least $1,000 Tuiton. rambo

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n3xo
Posted: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 6:46:27 PM

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Yes, most residence costs are a complete rip-off. No one is forcing you to stay in residence. You can save a lot by finding a sublet or lease nearby.

It seems like a lot of people are choosing very expensive programs and then come here to complain. If you don't like the cost, find a more affordable program! There are plenty of them in Canada.
heatherblair
Posted: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 7:52:00 PM
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i think it is stealing. it is like punishing someone who wants to make something of themselves. i understand that they have to pay professors and for the hydro and all tht, but come on...half the ppl i know arent going to university because it is too expensive.
Berries
Posted: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 7:58:33 PM
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I agree, most of my friends are just going to a local college to save money. I don't know why the department of education can't just reduce fees instead of coming up with random bursaries and scholarships that only certain people are eligible for.
bigbadsheep
Posted: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 9:00:06 PM

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n3xo wrote:
Yes, most residence costs are a complete rip-off. No one is forcing you to stay in residence. You can save a lot by finding a sublet or lease nearby.

It seems like a lot of people are choosing very expensive programs and then come here to complain. If you don't like the cost, find a more affordable program! There are plenty of them in Canada.


Just choosing a program based on how cheap it is to go to university and say "Look we have a degree" will not produce doctors, engineers, lawyers and other professionals we need in society

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becketttj
Posted: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 9:08:13 PM
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I'm going to be going into a Fine Arts program in the fall; and on top of tuition, rent (which will be less than rez and I'm only living with one other person), groceries, and just essential things that everyone needs... like soap. I have to buy ALL of my art stuff. from paint, to canvas, to glass, metals... yarn... whatever I need, I'll have to pay for it, so I'm looking at about $1500 in school related expenses that have to come out of pocket!

I just think that Post Secondary Education should teach us how to be the best we can be... and how to move forwards in life... not financially cripple us for the five or ten years that follow our graduation.
sals402
Posted: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 9:15:01 PM
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i also think the tuition of the universities need to be decreased. I seen an article in the paper earlier this month stating that the tuition of UoW is going to increase this year because of the profsThumb down

it is worse for the students who do not know what they want to major in and just spend money for a year taking general classes !! something needs to be done with the tuition prices sooon
n3xo
Posted: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 9:30:43 PM

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bigbadsheep wrote:
n3xo wrote:
Yes, most residence costs are a complete rip-off. No one is forcing you to stay in residence. You can save a lot by finding a sublet or lease nearby.

It seems like a lot of people are choosing very expensive programs and then come here to complain. If you don't like the cost, find a more affordable program! There are plenty of them in Canada.


Just choosing a program based on how cheap it is to go to university and say "Look we have a degree" will not produce doctors, engineers, lawyers and other professionals we need in society


Financially, those professional programs offer a very good ROI. You're looking at a 10-1 or greater applicant-to-space ratio for those programs. I don't see how raising or lowering tuition for those programs would change anything.
wanderlust90
Posted: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 10:55:36 PM
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Well the price we pay for tuition is apparently A LOT less than what it actually costs. Apparently the government pays a huge amount of the actual cost of sending one student to post-secondary. That fee goes to all sorts of things professors, building projects, utilities, supplies for staff, technology for certain programs, and all the people working at the university you don't think about like janitors. I'm sure in the end it is actually a really fair price.
Kaylya
Posted: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 11:35:25 PM

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The cost of university is subsidized by the (Provincial) government heavily. That doesn't mean that there aren't ways for universities to operate a bit leaner and help keep the tuition down, but compare the tuitions in Canada to the costs of places in the states that don't recieve government funding.

One thing about those tuition numbers - there may be a significant difference between "tuition" and "tuition plus mandatory fees" at some schools. The Quebec schools generally have a huge amount of extra fees, such that the difference in cost between attending a Quebec school as a Quebec resident and attending a cheaper school elsewhere (Manitoba, Newfoundland) is negligible. At Acadia at the $8062 number, they did not have a lot of extra fees on that, and it included a laptop lease (note significant changes to that program for the coming year). The health plan and the student union fees were pretty much it. Other places have far more. And Acadia de-bundled their tuition fee this year number, such that it's overall the same with about $600 as a "Technology fee" and $600 for the "Laptop fee" and $250 as the "Health and athletic services fee". The funny thing is their tuition is still more than St. FX's tuition with their "techology fee" included. I can't argue that Acadia is expensive though. In answer to a question like "Would you recommend this school to others", I really would like a way to qualify that with "Yes if cost isn't an issue".

So, having looked at Acadia's finances in some detail (I did my undergrad there), I can say that given that the profs have gone on strike twice recently complaining of low pay, and after ruling out my original theory that they paid through the nose for software licenses because of the laptop program (they don't) the conclusion I came up with is that in addition to probably spending too much on the admin side of things, their residence remodelling/building spree cost them way too much money and the mortgages for that really add up, particularly when faced with an overall declining enrollment (which means declining residence occupancy as well). But they built a building they didn't need (They did mostly fill up the residences the year it opened, but that was the ontario double cohort, and the same year they remodelled a building to be all singles and overall they had about the same number of spaces as before they built the building).

orangapang
Posted: Thursday, March 13, 2008 12:34:12 AM
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Textbooks are ridiculously expensive. Worst of all some schools just keeps on making new editions so that people have to buy new books each year.cheers
Kaylya
Posted: Thursday, March 13, 2008 8:56:53 AM

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orangapang wrote:
Textbooks are ridiculously expensive. Worst of all some schools just keeps on making new editions so that people have to buy new books each year.cheers


Some profs will go out of their way to accomodate using previous editions where possible, and only change editions when neccesary, etc.

Others don't go out of their way to look up things like the price of the book, which the publishers usually don't show them when they are selecting the books.

But really here, it's the textbook publishers who pump out a new edition every year or two who are the problem. Changes from a first edition to a second edition usually are fairly substantive. And some books really do need to stay current. But when you get down to the difference between the 6th and 7th edition of a calculus textbook that's being updated every other year, really, they are just trying to sell more books by fixing 5 typos, re-writing 3 sections, and mixing up the order of the problems throughout the book. And very often, once the publisher starts printing the 7th, they stop printing the 6th. So the schools pretty much have to change because they can't guarantee a supply for everyone if they don't (not everyone sells their old textbooks, and not everyone wants used books). Sometimes they can skip an edition, but the publishers definitely aren't going to keep 3 editions in print simultaneously.

nascarchic
Posted: Thursday, March 13, 2008 10:26:24 AM
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Tuition fees are way to high!! My friend went into nursing for 5 years and said she is in the hole by $100 000 between her and her fiance. The tuition fees should go down because we are running out of people to be doctors, nurses, teachers ect. because everyone would rather just go work on the rigs because it doesn't cost much more than gas and food.
tenderlove
Posted: Thursday, March 13, 2008 1:33:30 PM
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I agree school costs way too much and by the time your done school you're in debt
slam
Posted: Thursday, March 13, 2008 2:45:18 PM
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Books are expensive too, especially when we need to purchase a new edition =_______=''
Not to mention the food (restuarants on campus), which is horrendous.


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