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mynameismattgotmlgo wrote:^ I think part of what Stringer means by law is nothing like on TV or in movies is that it is a lot less interesting. I went to a couple trials in grade 11, and they were all snooze fests (and it wasn't just me... that was the class' consensus). I even went to see a world-class boxer's murder case... it was boring too. Unfortunately, I don't think there are many John Travolta-like lawyers out there.
The process (before trials) may actually be interesting though, for certain people at least. I know what you mean. I guess it's just the formalities that kill it! I did the same thing, and thought the same of it, too. That's why I'm so unsure about the whole thing. I was watching the lawyer interrogate a witness for a drug case, and it basically went like this: 'so were you facing person X when he took out the bag?' 'yes.' 'were your feet facing him?' 'no. Uh, yeah, maybe.' 'your chest was facing him. were your feet facing him?' 'I don't know if my feet were facing him... maybe they were. Yes.' 'Well, if you're looking at notes then I don't think you're very confident about that.' 'No, I'm not.' And it basically went on like that for a good 20 minutes.. Honestly, though, all I ever hear from people is why one shouldn't be a lawyer. What, then, is there to love about this job?
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Money?
I've only really known two lawyers in my life. One was on trial for mortgage fraud. The other one I'm pretty sure was an alcoholic and was also a condescending a**hole. Maybe law does that to people. Or maybe a lot of the people attracted to law are like that. Although lets not make generalizations based on a couple people. However when I described the second lawyer to my mother she said it was pretty typical. I'm sure there are lovely lawyers though
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karla wrote:Money?
I've only really known two lawyers in my life. One was on trial for mortgage fraud. The other one I'm pretty sure was an alcoholic and was also a condescending a**hole. Maybe law does that to people. Or maybe a lot of the people attracted to law are like that. Although lets not make generalizations based on a couple people. However when I described the second lawyer to my mother she said it was pretty typical. I'm sure there are lovely lawyers though XD I think that's true for any aspiring profession. I've met doctors that have that kind of mentality. As well as extremely successful businessmen. And of course, lawyers. In some ways, these professions encourage you to view yourself as being too far high up the pedestal compared to other people (thanks to the amount of $ and praise you inevitably get). Maybe they just need to be a little grounded, and realize that your money or status in society doesn't mean everything.
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seamoraine wrote:Maybe they just need to be a little grounded, and realize that your money or status in society doesn't mean everything. That's easier said than done. Besides, I'm sure everyone realizes this... it's probably just that these people figure they will be equally as content/discontent at any job, so they may as well make good money doing it. Although I don't care too much about the money, I'm still not happy about the fact that quite a few of my high school friends who didn't even go on past high school will be making just as much (if not more) money as I will by the time I finish my eight years of post-secondary.
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mynameismattgotmlgo wrote:seamoraine wrote:Maybe they just need to be a little grounded, and realize that your money or status in society doesn't mean everything. That's easier said than done. Besides, I'm sure everyone realizes this... it's probably just that these people figure they will be equally as content/discontent at any job, so they may as well make good money doing it. Although I don't care too much about the money, I'm still not happy about the fact that quite a few of my high school friends who didn't even go on past high school will be making just as much (if not more) money as I will by the time I finish my eight years of post-secondary. Thriving in the academic world and thriving in the real world are, albeit connected, not the same thing...
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I realize that... doesn't change the fact that I don't think it seems right, and nor do my friends think it seems right that they'll be making about the same as me. It's not like they even have special transferable skills that I don't have... they only work in the trades. I can load stuff on to a crane and hammer nails just as well as they can.
It's all about being in a union.
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mynameismattgotmlgo wrote:I realize that... doesn't change the fact that I don't think it seems right, and nor do my friends think it seems right that they'll be making about the same as me. It's not like they even have special transferable skills that I don't have... they only work in the trades. I can load stuff on to a crane and hammer nails just as well as they can.
It's all about being in a union. They work in the trades or did they actually learn a trade? Because I have respect for the people who actually go through an apprenticeship and such. But there are far too many rig pigs in Alberta who are making obscene money with little skill
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karla wrote:mynameismattgotmlgo wrote:I realize that... doesn't change the fact that I don't think it seems right, and nor do my friends think it seems right that they'll be making about the same as me. It's not like they even have special transferable skills that I don't have... they only work in the trades. I can load stuff on to a crane and hammer nails just as well as they can.
It's all about being in a union. They work in the trades or did they actually learn a trade? Because I have respect for the people who actually go through an apprenticeship and such. But there are far too many rig pigs in Alberta who are making obscene money with little skill Supply and demand.
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karla wrote:mynameismattgotmlgo wrote:I realize that... doesn't change the fact that I don't think it seems right, and nor do my friends think it seems right that they'll be making about the same as me. It's not like they even have special transferable skills that I don't have... they only work in the trades. I can load stuff on to a crane and hammer nails just as well as they can.
It's all about being in a union. They work in the trades or did they actually learn a trade? Because I have respect for the people who actually go through an apprenticeship and such. But there are far too many rig pigs in Alberta who are making obscene money with little skill Most of my friends at home are trying to get into the unions (mainly pipefitting and rodbusting... easy ones to get into), which means they will eventually complete an apprenticeship. Two of them actually just got back from Fort McMurray... they were making $28 an hour with all expenses paid (even flights to and from). If you can get into a union here in Sarnia ("Chemical Valley"), the pay is pretty good as well: $35 an hour starting, plus they have amazing pensions and you can make a lot more by working overtime (you get paid double time after 44 hours a week). Pharmacists only get paid about $45-50 an hour. But meh... if I cared only about the money, I'd be in a union right now.
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Heard of the Aristotelian principle? Says, Human beings derive pleasure from the exercise of their realized capacities, all else being equal. If one can play Chess and Checkers, he would prefer Chess. If he excels in both Algebra and Arithmetic, he would prefer to study algebra. Similarly, if one is able to be an pharmacist or a machine operator, he would still prefer to be a pharmacist, even with all else being equal.
I think that's right.
I guess it can get a bit annoying when you spend a lot more time and money studying for something.....but think of it in the above terms, and the purpose of all that study wasn't completely for the money, anyways.
Plus, it sounds lofty and philosophical.
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Haha... sometimes I wish I were dumb.
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nobody seems to have an answer for why one would want to practice law (aside from the $)....
quite the opposite, actually....
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peachy wrote:nobody seems to have an answer for why one would want to practice law (aside from the $)....
quite the opposite, actually....
Same reason people work any job. Money, prestige, benefits, challenge, interest, social aspects, job security, etc.
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peachy wrote:nobody seems to have an answer for why one would want to practice law (aside from the $)....
quite the opposite, actually....
Well I can think of reasons why people would want to practice criminal law. It's fun, it can be rewarding, it's a tough challenge, every case is different etc. As well international, environmental and family law is really interesting. I have no clue why anyone would want to do like divorce or real estate law though, other than it's easier. My friend's Dad is a realtor and he says every real estate lawyer is a buffoon. I'm boring and want to be a corporate lawyer. I have a friend who thought all lawyers were like the ones on TV, and after she interned in a law firm, she can't believe she wanted to be a lawyer. In her words "I never knew there's so much paperwork and like boring stuff!!!" I don't get why people never knew PAPERWORK is a big thing in a law career lol. I guess it's good I worked for an in-house counsel and fell in love with the career even more.. And like 80% of my job was filing all their paperwork.
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treecows wrote:
I'm boring and want to be a corporate lawyer. I have a friend who thought all lawyers were like the ones on TV, and after she interned in a law firm, she can't believe she wanted to be a lawyer. In her words "I never knew there's so much paperwork and like boring stuff!!!" I don't get why people never knew PAPERWORK is a big thing in a law career lol.
I guess it's good I worked for an in-house counsel and fell in love with the career even more.. And like 80% of my job was filing all their paperwork.
Really! That's a first! So what aspects of it made you fall in love with the career, even with all that paperwork? What is an in-house counsel? How is that different from a private practice at a big law firm? I'm not very familiar with it. Also, at what age would I be able to seek such interning opportunities? When did you and your friend look into that? I won't be entering university until this fall but still would like to check out any opportunity to learn more about a lawyer's experience as soon as possible. That would get all these stereotypes/assumptions about the job out of my head and let me make a realistic goal abt what I want to do!
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rory, I would look even this summer. You'd be suprised who wants to give young people some experience.
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karla wrote:rory, I would look even this summer. You'd be suprised who wants to give young people some experience. why not! Do you have any ideas abt how I'd go about looking for opportunities?
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Talk to your parents and people you know. I have gotten every single one of my jobs through a friend of a friend. The hidden job market is huge, and you really need to know someone to get an interview to some places
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"Is Law School for You?" http://www.top-law-schools.com/prelaw1.htmlMaybe this will help  However, I think a lot of it has to do with trial and error unfortunately. But if you have a passion for debate, as do I, then I say go for it!
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Hey, thanks!
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