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alexarea
Posted: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 9:18:56 PM
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I recently did a project in my Law 12 class about gun laws in Canada. In my research, I found that many opposing groups/individuals have certain views that don't make much sense. "Guns don't kill people, people do," is what some say. Tell me what you think!
natasha022
Posted: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 10:09:04 AM
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I think that guns should be made illegal in canada
natasha022
Posted: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 10:09:34 AM
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people are crazy so they do not hesistate to kill
YellowBug7
Posted: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 12:39:33 PM
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I definitely believe guns should be illegal in Canada. Yes it takes a person to pick up a gun and pull the trigger, but guns themselves should not be floating around on the streets allowing just anyone to pick it up.
habz
Posted: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 9:04:43 PM

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Yeah guns kill people but who is pulling the trigger(PEOPLE) there should should be tougher laws for guns or tougher consequences.
Salami&Cheese
Posted: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 9:32:26 PM

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I heard about this guy who got 5 head shots in a row last year. Too much video games I guess.
Redrose27
Posted: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 10:32:30 PM

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alexarea wrote:
I recently did a project in my Law 12 class about gun laws in Canada. In my research, I found that many opposing groups/individuals have certain views that don't make much sense. "Guns don't kill people, people do," is what some say. Tell me what you think!


lol i wonder if any other Eddie Izzard fans on this forum snickered at that last line
n016
Posted: Monday, March 17, 2008 4:33:57 PM
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I definitely think that changes should be made about guns in Canada. I think that Stephen Harper's "Tackling Violent Crime Act" is the perfect way of doing it. Having a minimum jail sentence for people that use a gun will make people think twice about pulling their gun out. Hopefully this will be one step towards banning them all together.
Stringer
Posted: Monday, March 17, 2008 4:46:04 PM

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n016 wrote:
I definitely think that changes should be made about guns in Canada. I think that Stephen Harper's "Tackling Violent Crime Act" is the perfect way of doing it. Having a minimum jail sentence for people that use a gun will make people think twice about pulling their gun out. Hopefully this will be one step towards banning them all together.


Minimum sentences are a joke. Let the judges decide punishments, not politicians.

-Stringer
TaintedKane
Posted: Monday, March 17, 2008 4:46:29 PM

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I heard that in the United States they are trying to make it legal for people to have guns on them while drinking in bars. My dad said this is a good way to kill Americans let them get drunk and shoot themselves. Hes pretty funny I think but it shows how America loves their second amendment even though its more about having a militia then having random people with guns

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Nessy57
Posted: Monday, March 24, 2008 10:24:16 PM

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Well if you are asking me for my honest opinion... I don't see why good, law abiding citizens shouldn't be allowed to carry guns legally. I have a friend who feels very stongly about the subject and she could probably argue this better than I can but the way I see it if guns were completely banned in Canada there would still be people who have them and those people would not be law abiding citizens. We would be stripping ourselves of the limited right we have to protect ourselves. I would also like to address the person who blamed violence on video games, please watch "Bowling for Columbine" and enlighten yourself. The film points out that Japan has created some of the most violent video games out there and I do believe the film says something to the effect that there's an average of seven gun related deaths in Japan every year... I can't remember if that's the exact statistic but I do know that video games should not be blamed for violence. I do support the idea that people kill and not guns. Guns are tools people use to kill but if people were not given access to them they would find another way. If a person wants to kill someone their weapon can be a plastic fork and they'll still get the job done. Should we hand out guns at the super market? No. Should we let people who are trained to responsibly carry a firearm carry one.. Why not?

Nessy57



Miss
Posted: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 6:48:06 PM

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well actually, japan has a very steadily increasing youth crime rate, especially with murders (not like gang-related, but more like first or second degree family/relationship violent crimes), and they've got plenty of pedophiles to make up for that...

And I totally agree with gun control, as I hate guns. I really do. They are for cowards, and I have friends in street gangs, and they've told me how much harder it is to stab a guy than it is to just shoot him, and they always try to justify w/e by saying that whoever got shot "had it coming" cuz of how they didn't pay up or screwed someone over, which is idiotic. No one deserves to die to be an example, it's a fine way to regress into a terror state, especially with 13-17 year olds. And you know what? Guns just make it easier to kill for both sides, and i hate the attitudes that it creates/creates more gun use. Yes, our society is americanizing in our love of drama/violence over the past several years, but we still haven't surpassed our 1970s peak of homicide rates.

Anyways, society doesn't change unless the people change it. Yeah, there are idiots who kill, but you are 5000000% more likely to die in a car accident, or from the fatty fast foods that we consume. And with this attitude of self-defense, the more we arm, the more guns we have in circulation, and the more chances there are for accidents. It's the same with nuclear proliferation; they're both good for the owner, but suck for the neighbours. I agree that people will always have access to guns on street markets or w/e, but it's gonna be hell of a lot more expensive if they're less available, and have to be shipped/stolen from much further places. Ever seen that Chris Rock standup gig with the $5000 bullets? well I totally agree with that too, it's a great form of gun control. Why not tax bullets and arms 10000 % like we do with alcohol/tobacco too? it's much more likely to cause injuries (which OHIP or gov't healthcare will have to pay for) than the other 2 anyways.

Lastly, Small arms are responsible for 90% of civillian deaths worldwide, and there's a reason for that.


"My parents live in Ohio; I live in the moment." -himym.
whoaunit
Posted: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 1:49:00 AM
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I believe guns should be illegal in Canada. Yes, people kill people but what about all the accidents that result from people owning guns? There have been so many children killed because of freak accidents in which they find the gun and pull the trigger. And if guns were made illegal there would definately be a decrease in these preventable deaths.
Stringer
Posted: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 12:23:02 PM

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whoaunit wrote:
I believe guns should be illegal in Canada. Yes, people kill people but what about all the accidents that result from people owning guns? There have been so many children killed because of freak accidents in which they find the gun and pull the trigger. And if guns were made illegal there would definately be a decrease in these preventable deaths.


How many people have actually died from that situation? Probably not even 100 in the past 10 years.

So basically you're saying hunting should be illegal, along with sport shooting. Canada already has very strong gun laws.

-Stringer
Shismo
Posted: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 3:23:01 PM

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I don't see anything wrong with people wanting guns for sport, hunting, etc. I do think, however, there should be stronger punishment for those who are using them for a wrong purpose. You don't need an MP5 to hunt small game. Honestly, I'm not really sure how or what should be changed.

However, I think Canada's laws on self-defence and protection are too weak. I think that if someone breaks into my home, I should have the right to do whatever to protect myself, even if it means killing them.
Stringer
Posted: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 3:53:29 PM

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Shismo wrote:
I don't see anything wrong with people wanting guns for sport, hunting, etc. I do think, however, there should be stronger punishment for those who are using them for a wrong purpose. You don't need an MP5 to hunt small game. Honestly, I'm not really sure how or what should be changed.

However, I think Canada's laws on self-defence and protection are too weak. I think that if someone breaks into my home, I should have the right to do whatever to protect myself, even if it means killing them.


You aren't allowed to own an MP5 in Canada...

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Price277
Posted: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 2:50:30 PM
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To state a few facts about firearm laws in Canada:
Firearms fall under three different categories under legislation: Non-restricted, Restricted, and Prohibited. All of which have a required course that need to be taken to be allowed to possess or acquire any of these firearms.

1. NON- Restricted are rifles that are bolt, lever, pump action or semi – automatic. All of which are REQUIRED by law to be registered with the government, and now is handled be the RCMP.
2. Restricted are firearms that are usually pistols, that do not have a shorter barrel length of 4 inches. Restricted firearms are only allowed to be used at an approved rifle and pistol range, and cannot be carried in public.
3. Prohibited firearms are now illegal to buy unless you already have prohib licence (which the Canadian government no longer issues). Firearms that fall under this category are automatic rifles, automatic pistols (all pistols with a barrel length under 4 inches), and modified firearms (sawed off shotguns).

With this in mind, everyone who wants to buy or own a firearm legally has to pass the required course, but apply for the licence which is reviewed then approved by the government. Beyond that, laws for storing firearms require them to have trigger locks, cable locks, and to be locked in a gun locker or closet; with ammunition stored separately. So I come to my point, Canada has gun control, and it is strict, and those who use guns in gangs, which are usually using restricted firearms that they bought illegally are to blame. Not those who stay legal and are responsible with there firearms.
Kaylya
Posted: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 3:27:29 PM

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Stringer wrote:
whoaunit wrote:
I believe guns should be illegal in Canada. Yes, people kill people but what about all the accidents that result from people owning guns? There have been so many children killed because of freak accidents in which they find the gun and pull the trigger. And if guns were made illegal there would definately be a decrease in these preventable deaths.


How many people have actually died from that situation? Probably not even 100 in the past 10 years.

So basically you're saying hunting should be illegal, along with sport shooting. Canada already has very strong gun laws.


I am by no means pro-gun.

However, interestingly enough, backyard pools are FAR more dangerous than guns in the house. One of the many interesting conclusions in Freakonomics

In addition, it is always good to keep in mind that Canada's overall homicide rate is quite low, and that of those who are murdered, more are stabbed than shot.


Stringer wrote:
n016 wrote:
I definitely think that changes should be made about guns in Canada. I think that Stephen Harper's "Tackling Violent Crime Act" is the perfect way of doing it. Having a minimum jail sentence for people that use a gun will make people think twice about pulling their gun out. Hopefully this will be one step towards banning them all together.


Minimum sentences are a joke. Let the judges decide punishments, not politicians.


There is very little evidence out there that increasing mandatory minimum sentences actually deters crime. Furthermore, increasing sentences uses up a LOT of money that could be used elsewhere on prevention. Keeping one person in jail for a year in Canada costs about $90,000. How many kids can an organization like the Boys and Girls club keep out of gangs with that much funding?

It sort of assumes that criminals are making completely rational decisions and weighing the specific penalty for the type of crime they are going to commit against the likelihood of getting caught against their perceived gains from the crime. They generally don't really know exactly what the penalty is, and they either think they won't get caught, or, in some cases, are so emotional/drunk/needing money for their drug habit that they don't care. I suppose there's probably another category in there of people who have gotten involved with gangs, where they feel that the consequences of NOT doing the crime (i.e. repercussions from the gang) are worse than the potential consequences of doing something. While I do agree that the idea that you could go to jail for something is generally a pretty good deterrent, and that, if, for instance, there was a policy of throwing everyone who sped over 20km/h over the limit in jail it would substantially reduce speeding, there's very little difference of saying that, for instance, if you go and rob a gas station with a knife that's 3 years, if you go and rob it with a gun that's 5 years. Now, I'm making up those figures because, like most criminals, I honestly have no idea what the penalty is for various kinds of armed robbery, but I believe those numbers are somewhere around right.

Flag
Posted: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 3:40:20 PM
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These murders aren't happening with guns that are registered. If someone is going to go out and kill someone, I REALLY doubt that they're going to stop and say 'Better not do that, this gun is illegal!' If they're going to break the law THAT severely, it's not going to matter to them HOW they get the gun.

All banning guns does is throws a bunch of roadblocks in the paths of those who have guns for honest reasons. The idea of banning them, or making people register their guns, should be thrown out.
Kaylya
Posted: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 4:02:07 PM

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Flag wrote:
These murders aren't happening with guns that are registered. If someone is going to go out and kill someone, I REALLY doubt that they're going to stop and say 'Better not do that, this gun is illegal!' If they're going to break the law THAT severely, it's not going to matter to them HOW they get the gun.

All banning guns does is throws a bunch of roadblocks in the paths of those who have guns for honest reasons. The idea of banning them, or making people register their guns, should be thrown out.


I would be interested to see the proportion of shootings and/or gun murders committed with registered vs. unregistered guns. One thing I did come across is that the majority of murders with guns are linked to gangs.



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