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"Miracle" Drug to enhance Studying (adderall, ritalin) Options
Actionhero
Posted: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:51:41 PM

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Adderall, a prescription stimulant for people who have Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder or Attention Deficit Disorder, is prescribed to those with ADHD and ADD to help them concentrate, focus and improve attention span. It is also prescribed to people suffering from the sleeping disorder narcolepsy. However, students are illegaly taking for the sole purpose of increasing their mark in school. It enhances students focus and endurance even if they dont have ADHD. “Students are able to accumulate more information in a shorter time frame. These drugs keep you awake longer. They minimize fatigue and help maintain a high performance level. People can go on for hours studying when they take this pill even if they don't simply don't want to. The secret is it balances the neurotransmitters to the parts of the brain that control the ability to focus and pay attention. It gives more energy to pay attention in class, study longer and harder, tackle boring material, write term papers, and cram exams.” "For students who are under the pressure, who aren't study material, who easily get distracted, this pill sounds like a miracle drug for them depsite learning of the side effects"


My best friend's cousin (who lives in the states) was hooked on Adderall. She took it illegally to increase her focus while studying and pulling all nighters when the crap hits the fan. She got too addicted to it that she had to use it everyday. She also told me that this drug is a common trend in alot of campus's in the States, and many people take it simply knowing its going to make them work better. It is not difficult to find, and students with prescriptions give the pills to friends or sell them. "Statistically, one in five college students in the states have used them at least once." However, I havent heard of such thing being common here. I havent heard of this drug being processed in any university. Have you guys experienced or heard this going on in your campus?


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http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/ohe/library/drugs/adderall.htm

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scarboro
Posted: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 9:04:59 PM

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"Each pill goes between 3 and 10 dollars on campus."
I predict the rise of 'academic' dealers in the future.

IMO, there's no such thing as ADHD and the pills should either be illegal for everyone or legal for everyone.

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electricpearls
Posted: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 9:13:06 PM
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^scarboro, I disagree. My little brother was diagnosed with ADHD when he was 11 (he's now 13) and since he started taking adderall, he's been doing better in school, and overall, has been acting out A LOT less. I think ADHD is a complete verity and I think there are a lot of people who are undiagnosed out there.

Whenever he isn't on it he is literally insane... he's screaming, kicking, picking fights, yelling. This isn't because of dependency either, because this is what we had to endure before he was diagnosed. When he's on it he's calm and friendly, attentive, and wants to learn and communicate.
scarboro
Posted: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 9:25:23 PM

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electricpearls wrote:
^scarboro, I disagree. My little brother was diagnosed with ADHD when he was 11 (he's now 13) and since he started taking adderall, he's been doing better in school, and overall, has been acting out A LOT less. I think ADHD is a complete verity and I think there are a lot of people who are undiagnosed out there.

Whenever he isn't on it he is literally insane... he's screaming, kicking, picking fights, yelling. This isn't because of dependency either, because this is what we had to endure before he was diagnosed. When he's on it he's calm and friendly, attentive, and wants to learn and communicate.

Everyone that takes the drug does 'better'.
The problem I have with 'ADHD' is it being diagnosed like a 'real' condition and only those 'diagnosed' are able to receive the drugs.
Your brother has trouble concentrating, guess what? So does everyone to a certain extent. Why isn't everyone eligible for adderall considering we could all benefit from it? How can you 'diagnose' your brother has ADHD when theres no REAL symptom besides being hyper and crazy(which most kids that age are).
Your point of there being 'alot of people undiagnosed' is correct in the sense that the drug should be administered to a wider group but how can one classify 'attention deficit'? Is that not synonymous to being lazy? If I'm feeling lazy/unattentive and would like some help in the form of a little pill to concentrate what makes my situation any different than your brothers? Theres no medical proof to clarify that your brother 'has a disease' of being lazy and i'm just lazy because I choose to be.

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karla
Posted: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 9:32:00 PM

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scarboro wrote:

Everyone that takes the drug does 'better'.
The problem I have with 'ADHD' is it being diagnosed like a 'real' condition and only those 'diagnosed' are able to receive the drugs.
Your brother has trouble concentrating, guess what? So does everyone to a certain extent. Why isn't everyone eligible for adderall considering we could all benefit from it? How can you 'diagnose' your brother has ADHD when theres no REAL symptom besides being hyper and crazy(which most kids that age are).
Your point of there being 'alot of people undiagnosed' is correct in the sense that the drug should be administered to a wider group but how can one classify 'attention deficit'? Is that not synonymous to being lazy? If I'm feeling lazy/unattentive and would like some help in the form of a little pill to concentrate what makes my situation any different than your brothers? Theres no medical proof to clarify that your brother 'has a disease' of being lazy and i'm just lazy because I choose to be.


Another ignorant response. Have you ever lived with someone with ADHD or ADD? There are no "REAL" symptoms? A child with ADD/ADHD is acting ABORMALLY hyper/crazy, just like a person with depression is abnormally sad. To say that either don't exist because there are no "REAL" symptoms is obviously false. Obviously electricpearls didn't do the diagnosis, a doctor did.

ADHD does not mean a child is lazy. It means they have difficulty concentrating and functioning to a level that is abnormal.
scarboro
Posted: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 9:43:02 PM

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karla wrote:
scarboro wrote:

Everyone that takes the drug does 'better'.
The problem I have with 'ADHD' is it being diagnosed like a 'real' condition and only those 'diagnosed' are able to receive the drugs.
Your brother has trouble concentrating, guess what? So does everyone to a certain extent. Why isn't everyone eligible for adderall considering we could all benefit from it? How can you 'diagnose' your brother has ADHD when theres no REAL symptom besides being hyper and crazy(which most kids that age are).
Your point of there being 'alot of people undiagnosed' is correct in the sense that the drug should be administered to a wider group but how can one classify 'attention deficit'? Is that not synonymous to being lazy? If I'm feeling lazy/unattentive and would like some help in the form of a little pill to concentrate what makes my situation any different than your brothers? Theres no medical proof to clarify that your brother 'has a disease' of being lazy and i'm just lazy because I choose to be.


Another ignorant response. Have you ever lived with someone with ADHD or ADD? There are no "REAL" symptoms? A child with ADD/ADHD is acting ABORMALLY hyper/crazy, just like a person with depression is abnormally sad. To say that either don't exist because there are no "REAL" symptoms is obviously false. Obviously electricpearls didn't do the diagnosis, a doctor did.

ADHD does not mean a child is lazy. It means they have difficulty concentrating and functioning to a level that is abnormal.

The 'diagnosis' is based on psychiatric evaluation not true medical diagnosis.
There is no chemical marker/anything of the sort that would allow one to say, AHA THIS KID IS POSITIVE FOR ADHD.
You obviously don't remember what it feels like to be child and how everyone was hyper and unattentive.
Pop in and out of a 4th grade classroom once in a while and you'll see what I mean.
Oh and I have met people with ADHD (although in their teenage years) and they've told me that off the meds all they are is unattentive/lazy. They don't turn into crazy hyper monsters that jump on desks.(That's just immaturity and not a symptom)

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umarpk
Posted: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 9:47:46 PM
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now, where do I find those?


Got to get them before exams, seriously......
wayfarer
Posted: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 9:50:33 PM

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Quote:
Everyone that takes the drug does 'better'.
The problem I have with 'ADHD' is it being diagnosed like a 'real' condition and only those 'diagnosed' are able to receive the drugs.
Your brother has trouble concentrating, guess what? So does everyone to a certain extent. Why isn't everyone eligible for adderall considering we could all benefit from it? How can you 'diagnose' your brother has ADHD when theres no REAL symptom besides being hyper and crazy(which most kids that age are).
Your point of there being 'alot of people undiagnosed' is correct in the sense that the drug should be administered to a wider group but how can one classify 'attention deficit'? Is that not synonymous to being lazy? If I'm feeling lazy/unattentive and would like some help in the form of a little pill to concentrate what makes my situation any different than your brothers? Theres no medical proof to clarify that your brother 'has a disease' of being lazy and i'm just lazy because I choose to be.


I'm agreeing with Karla on this one.
So, by saying this, you don't believe in the following:
-Depression (like Karla said), because you can CHOOSE to be sad
-Addictions, because you can CHOOSE to take drugs
-Suicidal Nature, because that has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with brain malfunctions
-etc.

Futher, do some reasearch (look at Barkley's writing) and you'll find that this disease is sometimes caused by GENETICS.
In saying you don't believe in ADHD, and since it is sometimes caused by genetics, you are implying that no genetically-linked diseases are real?

Apparently, your education doesn't include much about the brain/psychology/disorders.

Sorry if I come across as rude, but there are so many people that I know who suffer from ADHD, and for you to say that they choose to be this way and that it doesn't exist (because there are no REAL symptoms) I feel compelled to change your opinion.

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electricpearls
Posted: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 9:59:14 PM
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karla wrote:
scarboro wrote:

Everyone that takes the drug does 'better'.
The problem I have with 'ADHD' is it being diagnosed like a 'real' condition and only those 'diagnosed' are able to receive the drugs.
Your brother has trouble concentrating, guess what? So does everyone to a certain extent. Why isn't everyone eligible for adderall considering we could all benefit from it? How can you 'diagnose' your brother has ADHD when theres no REAL symptom besides being hyper and crazy(which most kids that age are).
Your point of there being 'alot of people undiagnosed' is correct in the sense that the drug should be administered to a wider group but how can one classify 'attention deficit'? Is that not synonymous to being lazy? If I'm feeling lazy/unattentive and would like some help in the form of a little pill to concentrate what makes my situation any different than your brothers? Theres no medical proof to clarify that your brother 'has a disease' of being lazy and i'm just lazy because I choose to be.


Another ignorant response. Have you ever lived with someone with ADHD or ADD? There are no "REAL" symptoms? A child with ADD/ADHD is acting ABORMALLY hyper/crazy, just like a person with depression is abnormally sad. To say that either don't exist because there are no "REAL" symptoms is obviously false. Obviously electricpearls didn't do the diagnosis, a doctor did.

ADHD does not mean a child is lazy. It means they have difficulty concentrating and functioning to a level that is abnormal.


karla is correct. Also, a doctor diagnosed my brother. Why on earth would you think that I did, scarboro?

I must admit that you are right on the basis that ADHD has yet to have a proven cause, and cannot be objectively tested, instead relying on clinical diagnosis. That does not mean it does not exist. There are several other disorders out there that have no proven root cause, but are they considered to be disorders that are not 'real'? Absolutely not.

Like karla and wayfarer have said, it's like saying that depression doesn't exist. That someone can just choose to be sad, in the way that you say individuals with ADHD CHOOSE TO BE LAZY.
karla
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scarboro wrote:
The 'diagnosis' is based on psychiatric evaluation not true medical diagnosis.
There is no chemical marker/anything of the sort that would allow one to say, AHA THIS KID IS POSITIVE FOR ADHD.
You obviously don't remember what it feels like to be child and how everyone was hyper and unattentive.
Pop in and out of a 4th grade classroom once in a while and you'll see what I mean.
Oh and I have met people with ADHD (although in their teenage years) and they've told me that off the meds all they are is unattentive/lazy. They don't turn into crazy hyper monsters that jump on desks.(That's just immaturity and not a symptom)


I feel like by saying this you are discounting all mental disorders as 'made up'. Which is offensive and ignorant.

Yes, children are hyper and inattentive. Childred with ADHD are out of control, abnormally so. I'm sure meeting people with ADHD makes you an expert on the subject. ADHD can be manageable, and as a teenager/adult it can manifest itself in other forms, other than the hyperness that is frequently seen in children, that doesn't mean it isn't a legitimite disorder. Perhaps in some cases it may be wrongly diagnosed, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Stringer
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Big deal. People take drugs for everything. If the health trade-off is worth it for you, go nuts.

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Smurfit69
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Are you serious??? Theres a drug for getting higher marks????? GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMMEEEEEcolors colors colors colors
Stringer
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Smurfit69 wrote:
Are you serious??? Theres a drug for getting higher marks????? GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMMEEEEEcolors colors colors colors


There's also a drug that allows you to clean and do other physical work for hours while enjoying it, improves sex immensely, puts you in a state of euphoria, and decreases your need for sleep. Oh, and it helps you lose weight too. It's called Methamphetamine or speed, crank, tweak on the street. It's also very cheap and very available.

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Morhas
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Stringer wrote:

There's also a drug that allows you to clean and do other physical work for hours while enjoying it, improves sex immensely, puts you in a state of euphoria, and decreases your need for sleep. Oh, and it helps you lose weight too. It's called Methamphetamine or speed, crank, tweak on the street. It's also very cheap and very available.


Hook a brother up!

Whatever happened to good ol fashioned caffeine?
mynameismattgotmlgo
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Stringer wrote:
Smurfit69 wrote:
Are you serious??? Theres a drug for getting higher marks????? GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMMEEEEEcolors colors colors colors


There's also a drug that allows you to clean and do other physical work for hours while enjoying it, improves sex immensely, puts you in a state of euphoria, and decreases your need for sleep. Oh, and it helps you lose weight too. It's called Methamphetamine or speed, crank, tweak on the street. It's also very cheap and very available.


Methamphetamine really isn't a far cry from most of the drugs used for ADD/ADHD... most of them ARE indeed amphetamines. Methamphetamine is less specific to the neurons that account for attention than dexedrine (this one is probably the most popular studying enhancer at Western) or adderall, so it isn't usually prescribed for the attention disorders. They are, however, structurally very similar to and are just as toxic as meth. It's amazing what being considered a "prescription" drug can do for a drug's public perception.

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Miss
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caffeine doesn't help you concentrate though, it just keeps you awake....
it's relaly hard to distinguish people who actually need medication though, versus people who just don't like to focus, like i definitely know a few people who most definitely do NOT have add (they have an assignment due the next day, they have no problem working on it 5 hours straight to get it done, but "can't" work on it 2 weeks before) and they get medication or they get to use the special needs portion of the library, which isn't really fair. (good on them for getting extra help, but really....)

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Stringer
Posted: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:26:16 PM

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mynameismattgotmlgo wrote:
Stringer wrote:
Smurfit69 wrote:
Are you serious??? Theres a drug for getting higher marks????? GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMMEEEEEcolors colors colors colors


There's also a drug that allows you to clean and do other physical work for hours while enjoying it, improves sex immensely, puts you in a state of euphoria, and decreases your need for sleep. Oh, and it helps you lose weight too. It's called Methamphetamine or speed, crank, tweak on the street. It's also very cheap and very available.


Methamphetamine really isn't a far cry from most of the drugs used for ADD/ADHD... most of them ARE indeed amphetamines. Methamphetamine is less specific to the neurons that account for attention than dexedrine (this one is probably the most popular studying enhancer at Western) or adderall, so it isn't usually prescribed for the attention disorders. They are, however, structurally very similar to and are just as toxic as meth. It's amazing what being considered a "prescription" drug can do for a drug's public perception.


Exactly. Adderall is an amphetamine. It's not as bad as crank (we're talking about one of the worst drugs for you in the world) but it certainly is worse than many illegal drugs.

Yet, for some reason, the same parents who think marijuana or alcohol is the devil have no problem having their 10-year old pop a few Adderall's per day.

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Actionhero
Posted: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:04:07 PM

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However,these prescription drugs arent as exreme as crack,
They wont mess you up unless you become an addict.

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Morhas
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Well, in all fairness, you won't lose your face to crack unless you become addicted to it. It's just extremely hard not to become addicted to it.

I think they did a study on caffeine that showed that it increased your willingness to consider alternate solutions to problems, or something to that effect. I'll see if I can dig up a link.
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In regards to some things that have been said on this thread:

If you are not a qualified doctor and/or have not done years and years of research in the field of ADD/ADHD, I do not think it's your place to be invalidating proven medical conditions.

Just my two cents.

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