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MDoucett wrote:If we used our own instead of exporting it, we wouldn't be dependant on foreign nations. No kidding eh?! I heard (which might not be entirely accurate!) that most of Canada's oil is shipped out to the States, etc, and that we end up buying it back eventually because we never keep enough for ourselves...doesn't really make sense to me, but it would definitely explain why we pay so much for gas even though we're producing so much of it!
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Yup we pipe it right down to the States
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Yeah, unfortunately it all goes south. There's not a single pipeline to east or western Canada as of now. They are planning to build one to go west so that they can ship more out to the hungry Chinese. I doubt the Americans will like that very much.  It's a shame how we go unnoticed for our energy contributions. If you asked an American where their oil came from they would probably point towards the Middle-East. But we have the single largest oil deposit in the world and eventually the Middle-East will start to get less and less from the ground, could happen within 30-40 years if you subscribe to the peak oil theory. 2007 was, I believe, the first time oil exports were actually lower than the year before. If trends like these continue, we might be sitting pretty in a few years.
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My parents aren't paying a cent. I live with just my Mom and I know she can't afford it, even if I really got into trouble. She'd certainly do all that she could to help, as would the rest of my family, but I have always known that I would be on my own for university. That's one of the reasons I have worked so hard. Most of my first year if not all is covered by scholarships, and in the future I'll probably need to save up in the summer by working more or getting a loan. My Mom is going to try to help me out by helping be buy things to take away to university with me like personal items and sending me care packages and such.
I don't see anything wrong with paying room/board or for your own groceries if you live with your parents and you're in school. A lot of my friends did that in high school because they had jobs. In university, living with parents is way cheaper than an apartment, so paying for your own food is really a good deal I think.
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you sound really hard-working. I applaud you.
Honestly, I think that I probably won't get too many scholarships, and if I don't, I'm aiming to win one of the provincial awards for exams, plus passport to education, plus maybe 1 or 2 more (like miller thompson or a school award), and job money.
But, my parents are willing to pay for my entire university education, and they're probably going to pay for the majority of it as well.
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k. wrote:I don't see anything wrong with paying room/board or for your own groceries if you live with your parents and you're in school. A lot of my friends did that in high school because they had jobs. In university, living with parents is way cheaper than an apartment, so paying for your own food is really a good deal I think.
I agree. Your situation sounds exactly like mine too by the way. Right down to the care package. If I were to live at home (which I'm not since my school of choice is not close enough) then I'd have to buy my own food etc but not pay for rent. It would be cheaper. That's what I'm going to do most likely between my first and second year while I work during the summer.
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I for one also resent the "immigrants" automatically means "low income" statement. This particular statement shows ignorance to the process of immigration into Canada. Canada has a points system, and it is usually the highest educated people from other parts of the world who move to Canada. Or at least those with the most sought after skills. Ie. these are the people who are rewarded the highest points, and are thus allowed to immigrate to Canada.
Hence the term "Brain-Drain": When the best educated and most expensive to train professionals leave their country of origin in large numbers, and there are no upcoming/well enough trained people to replace them in the job market place.
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Christi_Bisti wrote:I for one also resent the "immigrants" automatically means "low income" statement. This particular statement shows ignorance to the process of immigration into Canada. Canada has a points system, and it is usually the highest educated people from other parts of the world who move to Canada. Or at least those with the most sought after skills. Ie. these are the people who are rewarded the highest points, and are thus allowed to immigrate to Canada.
Hence the term "Brain-Drain": When the best educated and most expensive to train professionals leave their country of origin in large numbers, and there are no upcoming/well enough trained people to replace them in the job market place. Still doesn't change the fact that immigrants are generally poorer than natives.
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"im guessing super poor parents that make min, wage, most likely because they are immigrants"
It may be that immigrants generally make less money, but again a real assumption: It's simple adds to the generally held myth that immigrants are the least educated, least skilled people in our society and thus make the least money. It just irks me, because most of the immigrants I know, are some of the best educated people from around the world. It's like people are pulling the "immigrant card" instead of the now generally unaccepted "race card", to explain collective economic problems of Canada.
But that's enough of the side conversation, back to the original question.
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"im guessing super poor parents that make min, wage, most likely because they are immigrants"
Sometimes but I'm 3rd generation but I have a friend that moved here when young and her family makes WAY much more than us.
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My parents might be payign for my books and laptop and other school supplies, but nothing other than that!!
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TaintedKane wrote:"im guessing super poor parents that make min, wage, most likely because they are immigrants"
Sometimes but I'm 3rd generation but I have a friend that moved here when young and her family makes WAY much more than us. there's a lot of skilled immigrants that just need time to get set up right. (i mean, you do need to pass the point system to get a pr card anyways). back on topic, my parents are paying for my tuition (though 1/3's covered by a scholarship) and res, but I'm paying for laptop, textbooks, etc. My friend's in a hard spot since her dad's refusing to pay for anything (tuition, food, res, etc) even though he's fairly well off, so she's ineligible for osap too. so she's paying for her own education and living expenses and all.
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my parents would have paid for all my undergrad, but then they'd have wanted me to go into engineering (just tried to persuade me more I guess, not particularly force)....seeing as how i got a scholarship for all but $400 though, they're willing to help me out with that much, and get me a laptop, and let me pursue life sciences =) Postgrad though Im gonna be paying for myself, I don't actually want them to pay for that, because they've saved up for their retirement, and I'd really rather they not dip into their funds...I think by then, I should have enough skill/courage/experience to manage on my own.
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Christi_Bisti wrote:I for one also resent the "immigrants" automatically means "low income" statement. This particular statement shows ignorance to the process of immigration into Canada. Canada has a points system, and it is usually the highest educated people from other parts of the world who move to Canada. Or at least those with the most sought after skills. Ie. these are the people who are rewarded the highest points, and are thus allowed to immigrate to Canada.
Hence the term "Brain-Drain": When the best educated and most expensive to train professionals leave their country of origin in large numbers, and there are no upcoming/well enough trained people to replace them in the job market place. just to defend my immigrate statement. i do understand that canada does have many well educated highly employable immigrates, however this is conceiving since most actually come from USA and europe...compared to the notion of highy educated south and east asians, who for some sometimes do not meet our level of acceptable education or training, and then end up working less desirable jobs. yet this is what lead me to my original comment. for one immigrants are 3x more unemployed then native born canadians..(15.5% from asian, 20% from africa, 4% for cdn born). additionally over 40% of immigrants are making less then 25000 per year. working out to around 12 bucks per hour which close to min. wage.... so from this when i read on a forum that someones parents make 30K a year. so basically min. wage , the most logical assumption will be immigrate....fair?
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Legit wrote:
so from this when i read on a forum that someones parents make 30K a year. so basically min. wage , the most logical assumption will be immigrate....fair?
I just think that we should be beyond that kind of stereotyping personally. I mean, when I hear that someones parents make 30K a year, my first assumption is not that they are immigrants-and it really doesn't matter anyway. I think a lot of people jumped on the assumption because making that assumption really didn't contribute to the conversation at all-it was about how much peoples parents were paying. And I know a LOT of low income families that are caucasian, born and raised in Canada. In fact, I would say I know more low income Canadian-caucasian families than anything else. I understand where you're coming from-generally immigrants make less than those born and raised here, but that doesn't mean that every single 'poorer' family is an immigrant, and it's rather closed minded of you to make that assumption Especially if it's not really relevant to the discussion.
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Legit wrote:
so from this when i read on a forum that someones parents make 30K a year. so basically min. wage , the most logical assumption will be immigrate....fair?
see, if they're working for someone else, that'd be true, but if they have a business, you know their actual income could be more than 30k, because businesses get many tax benefits, and they can also fix numbers slightly if they want. All of my families' immigrant friends have business except for the few that has a well paying job. so i dont think your point might be the most "logical" assumption.
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GGG wrote:Legit wrote:
so from this when i read on a forum that someones parents make 30K a year. so basically min. wage , the most logical assumption will be immigrate....fair?
see, if they're working for someone else, that'd be true, but if they have a business, you know their actual income could be more than 30k, because businesses get many tax benefits, and they can also fix numbers slightly if they want. All of my families' immigrant friends have business except for the few that has a well paying job. so i dont think your point might be the most "logical" assumption. The majority of smalll business owners put most of their earnings back into their business.
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MDoucett wrote:GGG wrote:Legit wrote:
so from this when i read on a forum that someones parents make 30K a year. so basically min. wage , the most logical assumption will be immigrate....fair?
see, if they're working for someone else, that'd be true, but if they have a business, you know their actual income could be more than 30k, because businesses get many tax benefits, and they can also fix numbers slightly if they want. All of my families' immigrant friends have business except for the few that has a well paying job. so i dont think your point might be the most "logical" assumption. The majority of smalll business owners put most of their earnings back into their business. Operating costs would already be expensed from their gross income. You would know because your parents have a small business?
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Well I've been on my own since the age of 15 due to circumstances (don't ask)... and I've learned alot since then and would love if my parents would help me. My dad already paid for my older brothers tution and my twins tuition so I understand. My mom doesn't work. I had to work till the age of 22 and realised the economy kinda sucks now so I should go back before I end up in a dead end job with no future. I pay for absolutly everything. My car, insurance, hydro/heat, rent, food, phone, tution, books, gas etc and massive layoffs in our province isn't helping any. I don't recieve anything from E.I when in school because of a stupid technicality  but OSAP is helping out a bit, enough to cover my tuition and books and about half a months worth of bill money.  I have a babysitting job that doesn't pay that great but it's something... and waiting on replies from other places... but luckily I'm in a paid summer co-op this year and hoping to get into a great company I'm really nervous and hope I can make it 
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cypherchyk wrote:Well I've been on my own since the age of 15 due to circumstances (don't ask)... and I've learned alot since then and would love if my parents would help me. My dad already paid for my older brothers tution and my twins tuition so I understand. My mom doesn't work. I had to work till the age of 22 and realised the economy kinda sucks now so I should go back before I end up in a dead end job with no future. I pay for absolutly everything. My car, insurance, hydro/heat, rent, food, phone, tution, books, gas etc and massive layoffs in our province isn't helping any. I don't recieve anything from E.I when in school because of a stupid technicality but OSAP is helping out a bit, enough to cover my tuition and books and about half a months worth of bill money. I have a babysitting job that doesn't pay that great but it's something... and waiting on replies from other places... but luckily I'm in a paid summer co-op this year and hoping to get into a great company I'm really nervous and hope I can make it You don't get EI because of a "stupid technicality"? Is that "stupid technicality" the fact that you can't be a post-secondary student and receive EI?
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