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Just out of curiousity, what percentage or amount of your semester/yearly fees did your scholarships cover?
Me? I'm a little concerned about my own just covering enough that I can afford the rest on my own.
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Join the club.
UWO 2012 - Biological & Medical Science  UWO > Every other school
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57/80 = 70-75%
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The scholarships that I received in first year was WELL over my tuition/fees/books. I have saved almost all of it, but used some to buy a car, and some for a trip to Cuba (I also have savings and worked this summer, so I could claim I worked to pay for those things too I guess). So hopefully if I don't spend like crazy it should last me at least 2 more years, and I hope to get a few more scholarships as well.
University of Alberta - Mechanical Engineering '11
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Using Scholarship money to buy a car and go on a trip to the caribbean, great use of scholarly funds. Almost as bad as the kids using their OSAP money for PS3's.
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I don't know urbyboy. I don't really see any problem with karla's use of the funds. She earned the money and clearly has enough to pay for her education. She should be allowed to enjoy the surplus, its nothing to feel guilty about. And unlike OSAP funding, it is not a loan but a reward that recognizes her accomplishments.
Cheers
H.B.A. (History) University of Toronto '08 M.A. (History) York University '09
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"A scholarship is an award of access to an institution, or a financial aid award for an individual student scholar, for the purpose of furthering their education"
Using money meant to go towards your education to take a trip, buy the newest gadget, or buy a car? there is something wrong with that. So many people are hard pressed to pay for their education and go into tremendous amounts of debt to pay for school. I'm not trying to say that she didn't deserve the scholarship she received, I'm simply saying that the money used to the car, trips, gadgets, whatever, could have been used by people who would have actually spent the scholarship on the things that it was meant to be spent on (tuition, books, residence etc) and helped in the way it was meant to help; takign away some of that financial burden that so many students are familiar with.
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Well my car was $2000 and my trip was $2000. I had about $4000 in savings before I went to uni and worked to earn about $8000 this summer. All that money is in the same bank account with my scholarship money, so it's hard to say what exactly was paid for with what money. I needed my car to get to work and to get to rugby practices, both for uni team and club team. The trip was just extra. I am fairly frugal, although I worked very hard to earn those scholarships and I think I deserve a vacation. I furthered my education of Cuba. Haha. They gave me the money, and as long as my school is paid for I see nothing wrong with spending the extra on other things. Besides, scholarship money isn't meant exclusively for tuition, it can be used to cover living expenses and other things.
University of Alberta - Mechanical Engineering '11
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urbyboy980 wrote:"A scholarship is an award of access to an institution, or a financial aid award for an individual student scholar, for the purpose of furthering their education"
Using money meant to go towards your education to take a trip, buy the newest gadget, or buy a car? there is something wrong with that. So many people are hard pressed to pay for their education and go into tremendous amounts of debt to pay for school. I'm not trying to say that she didn't deserve the scholarship she received, I'm simply saying that the money used to the car, trips, gadgets, whatever, could have been used by people who would have actually spent the scholarship on the things that it was meant to be spent on (tuition, books, residence etc) and helped in the way it was meant to help; takign away some of that financial burden that so many students are familiar with. Think about it this way. She either uses the scholarship money for her trip and her own money for the education, or uses her own money for the trip and pays for education with the scholarship money. The expenditure is the same either way.
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worldchange wrote:urbyboy980 wrote:"A scholarship is an award of access to an institution, or a financial aid award for an individual student scholar, for the purpose of furthering their education"
Using money meant to go towards your education to take a trip, buy the newest gadget, or buy a car? there is something wrong with that. So many people are hard pressed to pay for their education and go into tremendous amounts of debt to pay for school. I'm not trying to say that she didn't deserve the scholarship she received, I'm simply saying that the money used to the car, trips, gadgets, whatever, could have been used by people who would have actually spent the scholarship on the things that it was meant to be spent on (tuition, books, residence etc) and helped in the way it was meant to help; takign away some of that financial burden that so many students are familiar with. Think about it this way. She either uses the scholarship money for her trip and her own money for the education, or uses her own money for the trip and pays for education with the scholarship money. The expenditure is the same either way. You can’t think of it like that. That’s like saying it doesn’t matter if government officials use our tax dollars on personal trips, lavish dinners and shopping sprees because we will still have to pay the taxes whether the government spends part of it on lavish dinners and trips or all of it on what its supposed to be spent on: bettering Canada and its citizens. She used funds meant to be used for her education to finance a trip and buy a car. The amount she used for these two things could have been used by someone who would have put it toward education, and instead that person has now had to go into debt or find the funds through other means that will likely require them to pay the principal back. Bottom line.
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Yes you can think about it that way. I was given a certain amount in scholarships which I have used towards my education and will continue to do in the future. I also had personal savings and am working a job this summer that sufficiently covers those miscellaneous expenses that so offend you. All that money is in the same bank account, so I could claim I left my scholarship money untouched to use for future years of education and spent my personal money on my car/trip.
And you're assuming this other person would've qualified for the scholarship. They're scholarships not bursaries or loans. Besides, scholarships are intended for your education and other related expenses. I think a car is certainly a related expense
University of Alberta - Mechanical Engineering '11
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so far, about 10% of the total cost, that is tuition/rez/books/spending
UWO Biological and Medical Science 2012
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urbyboy980 wrote:worldchange wrote: Think about it this way. She either uses the scholarship money for her trip and her own money for the education, or uses her own money for the trip and pays for education with the scholarship money. The expenditure is the same either way.
You can’t think of it like that. That’s like saying it doesn’t matter if government officials use our tax dollars on personal trips, lavish dinners and shopping sprees because we will still have to pay the taxes whether the government spends part of it on lavish dinners and trips or all of it on what its supposed to be spent on: bettering Canada and its citizens. That analogy makes no sense in comparison to what worldchange said. What would make sense is: The government officials either use the tax money for their trip, and use their personal money to better Canada and its citizens, or they use their personal money for the trip and use tax money to better Canada and its citizens.
University of Alberta - Mechanical Engineering '11
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$62,000 and it covers roughly 62%.. ( all living expenses included)
Queen's Commerce '12
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No. It does make sense. We pay taxes to the government. Those funds have a PURPOSE (bettering Canada and its citizens). The funds that are awarded to you through scholarships also have a PURPOSE: To be used to help finance your education (tuition, fees, room and board).
Using funds for things other then their intended use is wrong, plain and simple.
Saying other people would not have qualified for the scholarships you won is both thick-headed and arrogant. Ignorance is bliss.
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You ignored the part where I said I have savings that add up to roughly $4000 and my job this summer has earned $8000. This money is in the same bank account where I put my scholarship money. I withdrew the money from this account to cover the $4000 for my car and for the trip. $8000 + $4000 is greater than $4000. All the scholarship money plus more is still there. Thus I have not used my scholarship funds for anything other than their intended use. I don't think I could be any more clear.
University of Alberta - Mechanical Engineering '11
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wow its her money, leave her alone.
scholarships are almost non-existent for me.
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I do think this little argument points out one of the flaws in deciding that scholarship income should be tax exempt. The people benefiting from the change of $3000 in scholarship being tax exempt vs. all scholarship income being tax exempt are for the most part the people who need help the least (note that this group includes me). And it doesn't even really affect the current tax year, it just means people with lots of scholarship income don't have to use up their tuition and education amounts until they start working, whereas someone working their way through school has used up most of that.
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urbyboy980 wrote:worldchange wrote:urbyboy980 wrote:"A scholarship is an award of access to an institution, or a financial aid award for an individual student scholar, for the purpose of furthering their education"
Using money meant to go towards your education to take a trip, buy the newest gadget, or buy a car? there is something wrong with that. So many people are hard pressed to pay for their education and go into tremendous amounts of debt to pay for school. I'm not trying to say that she didn't deserve the scholarship she received, I'm simply saying that the money used to the car, trips, gadgets, whatever, could have been used by people who would have actually spent the scholarship on the things that it was meant to be spent on (tuition, books, residence etc) and helped in the way it was meant to help; takign away some of that financial burden that so many students are familiar with. Think about it this way. She either uses the scholarship money for her trip and her own money for the education, or uses her own money for the trip and pays for education with the scholarship money. The expenditure is the same either way. You can’t think of it like that. That’s like saying it doesn’t matter if government officials use our tax dollars on personal trips, lavish dinners and shopping sprees because we will still have to pay the taxes whether the government spends part of it on lavish dinners and trips or all of it on what its supposed to be spent on: bettering Canada and its citizens. She used funds meant to be used for her education to finance a trip and buy a car. The amount she used for these two things could have been used by someone who would have put it toward education, and instead that person has now had to go into debt or find the funds through other means that will likely require them to pay the principal back. Bottom line. WHERE IS THE LOGIC?
UWO 2012 - Biological & Medical Science  UWO > Every other school
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urbyboy980 wrote:No. It does make sense. We pay taxes to the government. Those funds have a PURPOSE (bettering Canada and its citizens). The funds that are awarded to you through scholarships also have a PURPOSE: To be used to help finance your education (tuition, fees, room and board).
Using funds for things other then their intended use is wrong, plain and simple. Scholarships are awarded based on qualifications and achievements the individual has amassed. Most scholarships are NOT financial need-based (that's what bursaries are), and they are usually given out based on merit. If I receive $20 000 in scholarship money, and I had $100 000 of my OWN money in the bank, and I used $20 000 to buy a car, who are you to tell me that what I do with MY money is wrong (in general, since your attitude wasn't directed at me)? Just because I received ___ x____ amount in scholarships doesn't mean that I'm no longer entitled to use my own funds that would otherwise have gone into education elsewhere. The same amount is still going towards my education - that doesn't change whether I win a scholarship or not. The politician-spending analogy is flawed as well. The money the politician spends is from a pool of taxpayer money (the expenditures are reimbursements are they not?) and isn't particularly fixed. The "government" doesn't give out $10 000 to a politician to do as he/she pleases. On the other hand, the award that karla won has a fixed amount ($__, 000) and if she used it towards her tuition, that frees up the money that she saved up herself (that would've gone into education had she not won an award). How she spends that money is up to her - she worked hard to win the award, after all. Plus, if the scholarship organization has a problem with how the money is used, they would set limits (eg direct deposit to the university, etc). It doesn't change that the award recipient saved him/herself ___ x___ amount in scholarships. Quote:Saying other people would not have qualified for the scholarships you won is both thick-headed and arrogant. Ignorance is bliss.
Sounds like someone didn't win any scholarships.
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