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Wannabe soldiers, although they are better than Scouts.
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Let's see, cadets were started as a socially acceptable way train boys before they were of legal age to join the army. Essentially: get them when they're young and impressionable After all: Dolce et Decorum Est Pro Patria Mori!!!Edit: Although I suppose it's an excellant way to gain "leadership" and show "devotion to one's country" Plus, if you're short on cash, you're paid by the government to go to fun, fun, camps on military bases As well, you can get your pilot's license for free if you join air cadet. My point: use it to your advantage but wisely.
Pourquoi?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf94uiIbItg
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FROM NOW ON, I WILL PERIODICALLY CREATE THREADS THAT CONSIST OF TWO WORDS WITH ONE HAVING AN EXCLAMATION MARK AND THE OTHER A QUESTION MARK.
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Lamoid wrote:FROM NOW ON, I WILL PERIODICALLY CREATE THREADS THAT CONSIST OF TWO WORDS WITH ONE HAVING AN EXCLAMATION MARK AND THE OTHER A QUESTION MARK. You go ahead and do that, except in your case those two words will be in caps lock. As some one already mentioned: everything is funnier in caps lock
Pourquoi?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf94uiIbItg
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I did Air Cadets for about a year and a half (and a long time ago now..). The Warrant Officer of the squadron at the time I joined was a family friend (and I guess about 5 years older than me or so). He went to RMC and is in the military now. My Squadron met in the Aviation Museum which was kinda cool. Downside being that it's all curvy paths inside which isn't optimal for drill  I went to the Basic camp. It's one of those experiences that.. has a few moments of fun sprinkled into a lot of moments of not so much fun. Drill doesn't do it for me. And the fun thing is Ottawa gets lumped into the Quebec region, so you get to go to Baggotville Quebec (like 9 hours away on bus) rather than Trenton ON (2-3 hours?) for the camps. And of the 12.. flights?, 10 were Francophone, 1 was bilingual, and 1 was English. I started off in the English flight, but give them a hint that you know some French and to the Bilingual flight you go! And I wound up with a roomate from one of the French flights. The most vivid memory that comes to mind is one of our leaders yelling at us "C'est n'est pas un camp de vacances!" (pardon my written French, it's been a while). The bush camp stuff was fun. I made sure to quit just after one ;) I got to fire a rifle at one of those. Overall, for me, there were a few high points with a lot of boring points in between. If you're interested in getting a pilot's license, Air Cadets is one way to (potentially) get the basic license for free. However, anyone reading this might be a bit late in the game to join and get the scholarship for flight school; I think you'd need a *minimum* of 2 years of Cadets to get in for that, and probably more, and you've got to leave Cadets by 19. I've no idea if Army or Navy cadets have anything like that as a carrot for joining ;)
 
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I'm pretty sure you get your boating license with sea cadets, not sure for army cadets
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I was in air cadets for four years. I hated it.
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NotAnotherOne wrote:I was in air cadets for four years. I hated it. If you hated it, then why did you stay in it for 4 years? When I go to cadets, it seems like everyone likes it but me.
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I mainly stuck around for four years because a few of my friends were in it and they were higher ranks then me and basically gave me a huge guilt trip when I told them I wanted to quit. Camp paid pretty decently, too. What year are you? If you're just in your first or second, you're soon gonna find out how annoying the favoritism is.
Haha. When I quit, 6 people called me to yell at me to stay. Hahah.
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I was in the Navy League for 1 year as the drummer. It was pretty good, there were some times when I just dreaded it, and others when it was just so cool, like the boating experience.
But later it just got too busy for me scheduling-wise and I quit. Thinking back it was better than I had expected it to be.
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NotAnotherOne wrote:I mainly stuck around for four years because a few of my friends were in it and they were higher ranks then me and basically gave me a huge guilt trip when I told them I wanted to quit. Camp paid pretty decently, too. What year are you? If you're just in your first or second, you're soon gonna find out how annoying the favoritism is.
Haha. When I quit, 6 people called me to yell at me to stay. Hahah. I just finished my first year, so not that long. It feels pretty weird because everyone else in my rank is like 3 grades younger than me. Favoritism as in the higher ranks favoring, or the officers favoring?
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When I first joined up, one of the head guys was really encouraging the new people to stick with it for 6 months, and I think my parents bought into that. Then it sorta just became a habit to go, I had some friends who went, etc. And then for the last bit I was staying on to go to a bush weekend ;) Some people do really seem to like it though. I don't want to say it's a bad program just because *I* didn't like it overall. There are definitely positives to it, I think particularly if you stick with it a bit longer than I did, and it's a totally free program. On the other hand I do recall some aspects of it feeling disorganized at times - but it's been so long I can't really comment on specifics.
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**Lil_Absinthey_Amarinthe** wrote:Let's see, cadets were started as a socially acceptable way train boys before they were of legal age to join the army.
Essentially: get them when they're young and impressionable
After all: Dolce et Decorum Est Pro Patria Mori!!!
Edit: Although I suppose it's an excellant way to gain "leadership" and show "devotion to one's country"
Plus, if you're short on cash, you're paid by the government to go to fun, fun, camps on military bases
As well, you can get your pilot's license for free if you join air cadet. My point: use it to your advantage
but wisely. You have several things wrong throughout your post. 1. Cadets was started as a social gathering for the boys of soldiers to get together and practice rifle drill. It was not until several years later that they came into a military role, nor did they remain in one for very long. Reference2. Cadets is about citizenship, physical fitness, recreation, and leadership, not combat. Their three roles have nothing to do with combat in any way whatsoever. Reference3. Cadets are not paid. Everything they do is volunteer work within their Corps or Squadron. The only people who are paid for their work are officers of the Cadet Instructors Cadre, who are categorized as Primary Reserve members of the Canadian Forces.
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The "Staff Cadets" for the summer camps do get paid. Everyone else at the camps is there for free. I'm not sure I'd use "fun, fun" to describe my experience at Basic. I don't want to make it out to be some horrible experience, or that there weren't fun things, but definitely it was on a very regimented military schedule (up at 6 to do PT, like 1 hour of free time in the evening in which to shower and do your laundry and do everything else while everyone is doing it..), and it's not like you spend all day swimming and canoeing in the lake like you would at some other summer camp (exaggerating a little, but you get the point).
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Staff Cadets are working on a Canadian Forces Base and assumed to be Canadian Forces employees  That's why they're paid.
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When I was in cadets, and went to camp as a cadet (Basic, ITLC) I was paid to go. Not for hours worked. I got an automatic 60 dollars a week or so. I loved camp...sometimes. It seemed the trashiest girls ever went though. Honestly. You know that 2 or 3 hour own-time you get to shower/socialize/iron/shine boots. These girls spent that time trying to sneak into the guys' cabins and as anyone knows - you can get sent home for hugging someone for christ sakes. In my final camp, we had the highest RTU rate. Those PT gear clothes were horrendous, though. I'm not one to be picky about what I wear, but holy batcrap, they made everyone wear them for the "dances" they had once every two weeks.
As for the favoritism, I mean it's usually towards the friends of senior cadets/officers. If you're not friends with someone with a higher rank, you're pretty much guaranteed to get the crap end of most things, no matter what your rank.
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Nice try, but no. 1. First of all, I was referring to air cadets, as you can see below they were started in WW2 as a response to pilot shortages The Air Cadet Organization originated in the early days of World War II when the war effort required young men to meet Canada's military obligations. In 1940, Air Minister Power directed that a nation-wide voluntary organization be formed to sponsor and develop a select group of young men who would be trained to meet the increasing need for operational pilots in the Royal Canadian Air Force (RCAF) during World War II.[10] Prior to 1940, Air Cadet squadrons did not exist and were in fact Army Cadet Corps that were affiliated with RCAF Air Reserve squadrons. On November 11, 1940, an Order-in-Council was passed to establish the Air Cadet League of Canada to work in partnership with the RCAF. The first squadrons were organized in 1941 and by 1942 there were 135 squadrons and 10,000 cadets, mostly recruited from the Army Cadets. In the next year, by 1943, there were 315 squadrons with a membership of 23,000. In 1944, the program reached its peak membership with 29,000 cadets in 374 squadrons.[10]^ The Air Cadet Story: The Early Days. The Air Cadet League of Canada (Manitoba). Retrieved on 2007-04-12. 2. I never said that cadets in itself was about combat, if you had cared to read my post I acknowledged it was a way to gain "leadership" etc. However, cadets was implicity related to combat (read the above passage) and to a certain extent, remains so even today. However, no, they won't ship you off to Afganistan. To do so would be illegal. 3. And that is where you are wrong my friend! Although much of cadets is volunteer work, (as you'll see by the variety of cadets raising money in front of stores, participating in rememberance day parades etc.) there are many aspects of cadets in which you will in fact get paid. For instance, there are many full-time summer training camps, mostly leadership, that you will be paid to attend. They are located on military bases such as the ones in Cold Lake Alberta and Trenton, Ontario. I believe if you attend the basic leadership course as a cadet at Cold Lake you'll be paid $60 per week, a total of $360 for the entire program. You will, of course, be paid more if you attend as staff. In any case, you can get your pilot's license for free which could be seen as a form of payment: Each summer, 320 cadets earn a Transport Canada Glider Pilot Licence through the Air Cadet Gliding Scholarship and 250 more earn a Private Pilot licence.^ National Defence Cadet Website: Air Cadets - Gliding Scholarships. Department of National Defence (Canada) (2005-04-12).
Pourquoi?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf94uiIbItg
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It's funny how when the WO1 retires, the favorism then shifts..
I still don't like the drill, even though the higher ranks told me that you start to like drill after a year or so. And I avoid shining my boots unless it is necessary (a.k.a. when people tell me in the change room to my boots are too dull and I should be shining them for at least 5 min. while I wait). And being a staff in cadets summer camp pays so much! Too bad I joined too late to ever have a chance at becoming a staff.
Would they actually demote me if I don't take care of my uniform and I don't shine my boots?
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Can they demote? Never actually heard of a case
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