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Which is exactly what I think. Do you think I'm a gay basher? I myself am gay.
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I don't agree with homosexuality. It conflicts with my morals and religion - however, that said, it doesn't make me love homosexual people any less. They're people just like us, and don't deserve to be treated any differently. But at the same rate, I don't see why we classify people based on their sexual orientation. I mean, what does it matter?? If I want to be friends with you, why do I need to know what you do behind closed doors?
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MDoucett wrote:Which is exactly what I think. Do you think I'm a gay basher? I myself am gay. No, I just think that the belief that the Bible or any other religious text is just a guide on how to live right is a gross miscalculation. It's an outdated list of rules used by those in power to control the masses.
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bekk_i wrote:I don't agree with homosexuality. It conflicts with my morals and religion - however, that said, it doesn't make me love homosexual people any less. They're people just like us, and don't deserve to be treated any differently. But at the same rate, I don't see why we classify people based on their sexual orientation. I mean, what does it matter?? If I want to be friends with you, why do I need to know what you do behind closed doors? I like people like you bekk_i. I mean it'd be better to be accepted, however if you don't agree with homosexuality, at least live and let live.
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Stringer wrote:MDoucett wrote:Which is exactly what I think. Do you think I'm a gay basher? I myself am gay. No, I just think that the belief that the Bible or any other religious text is just a guide on how to live right is a gross miscalculation. It's an outdated list of rules used by those in power to control the masses. Again, I agree with you. I didn't say it's a current guide to live your life. I said that's what it's meant to be, or was meant to be. It is not meant to be taken literally.
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MDoucett wrote:Stringer wrote:MDoucett wrote:Which is exactly what I think. Do you think I'm a gay basher? I myself am gay. No, I just think that the belief that the Bible or any other religious text is just a guide on how to live right is a gross miscalculation. It's an outdated list of rules used by those in power to control the masses. Again, I agree with you. I didn't say it's a current guide to live your life. I said that's what it's mean to be, or was meant to be. It is not meant to be taken literally. Agreed. I always compared it to Aesop's Fables.
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so 8 posts later I clarify what I mean lol.
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MDoucett wrote:so 8 posts later I clarify what I mean lol. That's the internet for you. 
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indeed. It's also a good tool for not doing your homework 
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MDoucett wrote:indeed. It's also a good tool for not doing your homework Haha so true =p and I'm sorry if I myself came across as gay bashing. I tried to make it clear that I wasnt but you never know how things are taken. I really appreciate your 'open-mindness' (for lack of a better term) on the bible and such as well
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my great-grandfather hand built a church. And 90% of my extended family are Luthran Ministers. Ok that may be an exaggeration, but a lot of them are. 6 come to mind off-hand. One was kicked out of the church for being a homosexual.
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*jumps in* hey MD and rest! Hope you don't mind me jumping in on this conversation so late, hopefully not too late! Gotta applaud all of you for having a uniquely civilized conversation about topic and so many are so passionate about.
Awhile ago, Stringer posted the following quote:
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
-Epicurus
Now I'm a celtic paganistic pansexual but even I think that's a tad bit offensive! And I have a few quotes of my own (god MD! you've created a monster!)
"Every generation of humans believed it had all the answers it needed, except for a few mysteries they assumed would be solved at any moment. And they all believed their ancestors were simplistic and deluded. What are the odds that you are the first generation of humans who will understand reality ?"
""Research is what I'm doing when I don't know what I'm doing."
"The scientific theory I like best is that the rings of Saturn are composed entirely of lost airline luggage" [and maybe mismatched socks]
"The scientific method makes one assumption, and one assumption only: the Universe obeys a set of rules. That’s it. There is one corollary, and that is that if the Universe follows these rules, then those rules can be deduced by observing the way Universe behaves."
"For the belief in a single truth is the root cause for all evil in the world."
oh I could go on for hours with these but i'll just state my point and wait for your response instead: Science is a religion.
Oh and as for sexualities, religions, etc. I think all ways of life, belief systems, forms of love, etc. merit respect and tolerance if the people that practise them do not use them to harm others ... and if they do? Those individuals should be the ones to lose the respect of the world not the practise that they use to justify the harm they do to others. Bad apples does not = bad tree
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unstr8_k8_88 wrote:*jumps in* hey MD and rest! Hope you don't mind me jumping in on this conversation so late, hopefully not too late! Gotta applaud all of you for having a uniquely civilized conversation about topic and so many are so passionate about.
Awhile ago, Stringer posted the following quote:
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
-Epicurus
Now I'm a celtic paganistic pansexual but even I think that's a tad bit offensive! And I have a few quotes of my own (god MD! you've created a monster!)
"Every generation of humans believed it had all the answers it needed, except for a few mysteries they assumed would be solved at any moment. And they all believed their ancestors were simplistic and deluded. What are the odds that you are the first generation of humans who will understand reality ?"
""Research is what I'm doing when I don't know what I'm doing."
"The scientific theory I like best is that the rings of Saturn are composed entirely of lost airline luggage" [and maybe mismatched socks]
"The scientific method makes one assumption, and one assumption only: the Universe obeys a set of rules. That’s it. There is one corollary, and that is that if the Universe follows these rules, then those rules can be deduced by observing the way Universe behaves."
"For the belief in a single truth is the root cause for all evil in the world."
oh I could go on for hours with these but i'll just state my point and wait for your response instead: Science is a religion.
Oh and as for sexualities, religions, etc. I think all ways of life, belief systems, forms of love, etc. merit respect and tolerance if the people that practise them do not use them to harm others ... and if they do? Those individuals should be the ones to lose the respect of the world not the practise that they use to justify the harm they do to others. Bad apples does not = bad tree How is science a religion? Religion implies that FAITH is required. Science does not require faith. Are you trying to tell me that gravity isn't real? Or that the world is flat (like is implied in the Bible)? Science is based on gathering observable, empirical, and measurable evidence. Religion is based on faith, period.
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Well said unstr8 k8 =)
btw Science totally requires faith... faith that their hypotheses are correct, faith that those who researched before you knew what they were talking about. Faith that we humans really DID evolve from impy little amoebas from the ocean. Faith that the world won't go spinning uncontrollable an fling us into the sun ;) And please show me where in the Bible it implies that the world is flat? Because I never knew the bible implied that at all.
oh P.S Doucett, I'm sorry about your relative being kicked out of the church for being Gay.. I just think that's wrong. If they do that, then they need to kick out the girl that got pregnant, or the kid caught shoplifting, or basically.. everyone else =p
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United is not marriage though I am united with my boyfriend I am united with my mother I am united with my friends but am I married to my boyrfriend no or mother no or friends no united is not marriage i no what the bible speaks as i have reas it also and i no what i believe too but to go on here and slam somebody down because they do not follow the same beliefs is wrong no matter what go may have initiated a union between two people but god has never stated IT HAS TO BE man and women so Exodus 20:2–17,Deuteronomy 5:6–21Quote:You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Quote:You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour.
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also
in the bible its stated that we are all brothers and sisters and to love all your brothers and sister
so think about that one also
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CoraM wrote:also
in the bible its stated that we are all brothers and sisters and to love all your brothers and sister
so think about that one also I'm sorry Cora but I suppose you jumped in a little late without reading everything I've said (which is understandable, because I wrote a lot) but let me clarify that I was not slamming anybody down because I too, think that is wrong. And I have already stated that yes, I do love my homosexual brothers and sisters, I just don't love (what I believe to be) their sin. Also, since you have read the bible, you should know that God does speak against homosexuality. But still, I'm not saying God doesn't love homosexuals.. he just hates (what he calls) their sin. I'm sorry if you got the two messages crossed  PS I dont understand what you meant to say by the two bible verses you quoted...
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KJoy08 wrote:Well said unstr8 k8 =)
btw Science totally requires faith... faith that their hypotheses are correct, faith that those who researched before you knew what they were talking about. Faith that we humans really DID evolve from impy little amoebas from the ocean. Faith that the world won't go spinning uncontrollable an fling us into the sun ;) And please show me where in the Bible it implies that the world is flat? Because I never knew the bible implied that at all.
oh P.S Doucett, I'm sorry about your relative being kicked out of the church for being Gay.. I just think that's wrong. If they do that, then they need to kick out the girl that got pregnant, or the kid caught shoplifting, or basically.. everyone else =p Wow. Have you not learned what a hypothesis is? Have you not learned what the scientific method is? The whole point is that FAITH is NOT required. We don't have to "trust" or "believe" anybody because all of the information, research, and data is right there in front of us. Why do you believe creationism? Because the Bible says so (FAITH). Why do I believe evolution? Because thousands of studies have been done on it and currently it is the most feasible answer to the question of how we got here (SCIENCE, not faith). As for the Bible implying the Earth is flat, these verses amoung others say it... 1 Chronicles 16:30: �He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.� Psalm 93:1: �Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm ...� Psalm 96:10: �He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ...� Psalm 104:5: �Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.� Isaiah 45:18: �...who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast...� "The devil took him [Jesus] up into an exceedingly high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them." - Matthew 4:8 "I saw a tree in the midst of the earth, and the height thereof was great. The tree grew, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth." - Daniel 4:10-11
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I am a mature student who has just returned to post secondary education after some 25+ years out of college and am happy to chime in on this topic. I am in a same sex relationship and have been for many years. Yes we are married - legally - and represent ourselves as a couple at all gatherings. We own a house together, have employment benefits together, both have a supportive family structure, and both are employed in professional occupations. We pay taxes, we volunteer in our communities and we are known for whom we are locally. No we are not political activists nor are we flag carrying lesbians on parade day. We can very easily be your mother, your sister, your best friend, your neighbour or any number of other people whom you associate with on a regular basis. Having been a lesbian for well over 30 years, I have seen society's perspective change drastically.
Several of the other contributors have stated they have adopted the "live and let live" attitude and I congratulate them for that. Many of our friends have the same opinion. I totally agree that public decorum is necessary. I personally find it disgusting when a male/female couple as much as any same sex couple are hanging all over each other in public. And I also agree that this behaviour is sometimes done to attract attention. The sad thing is that gays and lesbians want to be accepted by main stream society and yet there are those who feel acting out of the norm will get us farther...
For those of you younger gays & lesbians reading this - there is definitely light at the end of the tunnel. There are many groups and activities on campuses all across Canada now - unlike it was 20-30 years ago - when you had to hide not only from yourself but your family and friends. Hold your head high and be who you are. Life is too short to live scared.
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KAIA wrote:I am a mature student who has just returned to post secondary education after some 25+ years out of college and am happy to chime in on this topic. I am in a same sex relationship and have been for many years. Yes we are married - legally - and represent ourselves as a couple at all gatherings. We own a house together, have employment benefits together, both have a supportive family structure, and both are employed in professional occupations. We pay taxes, we volunteer in our communities and we are known for whom we are locally. No we are not political activists nor are we flag carrying lesbians on parade day. We can very easily be your mother, your sister, your best friend, your neighbour or any number of other people whom you associate with on a regular basis. Having been a lesbian for well over 30 years, I have seen society's perspective change drastically.
Several of the other contributors have stated they have adopted the "live and let live" attitude and I congratulate them for that. Many of our friends have the same opinion. I totally agree that public decorum is necessary. I personally find it disgusting when a male/female couple as much as any same sex couple are hanging all over each other in public. And I also agree that this behaviour is sometimes done to attract attention. The sad thing is that gays and lesbians want to be accepted by main stream society and yet there are those who feel acting out of the norm will get us farther...
For those of you younger gays & lesbians reading this - there is definitely light at the end of the tunnel. There are many groups and activities on campuses all across Canada now - unlike it was 20-30 years ago - when you had to hide not only from yourself but your family and friends. Hold your head high and be who you are. Life is too short to live scared. Thank you. I agree that couples hanging all over each other in public isn't something anyone wants to see. What bothers me is that my boyfriend and I can't hold hands in public. I personally don't think holding hands is going overboard for a public display of affection. But that's just me.
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