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Create a system where once every year teachers of all Canada be it elementary, high school or above needs to be evaluated.
This evaluation consists of two parts;
1) Class Evaluation
At the end of the year the whole class participates in the survey if the teacher met general requirements of teaching or not and in the bottom of the box you can add a descriptive comment. If more than 80 percent of the class deem the teacher not capable of learning standards then the teacher will be of work no longer
2)Person Evaluation
Randomly maybe 3 times a year a person that works for the goverment comes to the class and evaluates the teacher by surprise so the teacher wont be prepared to be perfect. The person evaluates if the teacher is up to proper teaching standards.
With this system the education system of Canada will be significantly improved! What do you think? I believe it is foolproof.
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That's kind of how they do it in university. The evaluation forms that the class fills out has a big impact on new professors and TAs as far as what classes they get and raises and tenure and stuff like that.
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hmm.. Sometimes I have to fill out a form for my teachers that they aren't allowed to look at. I don't know if it's by the government or by my school. And i don't do it every year.. So that seems odd.. hah.
Volition, you're plan would be effective, i agree, I just don't think our government would ever want to spend the money and time on making it happen.
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and you wouldnt be prime minister because the program will cost a pantload of money that could be used somehwere else. think if the disruption in schools. tons of teachers will be continually moving around because the students alcutally organized something for once.
i agree we need some sort of evaluation. it shouldnt involve the students, we just arent reliable
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NEM99 wrote:hmm.. Sometimes I have to fill out a form for my teachers that they aren't allowed to look at. I don't know if it's by the government or by my school. And i don't do it every year.. So that seems odd.. hah.
Volition, you're plan would be effective, i agree, I just don't think our government would ever want to spend the money and time on making it happen. We have constant teacher strikes in every province, why don't we increase the salaries of the teachers but we be guaranteed quality teachers. I can name a few teachers of the bat still working that clearly indicate they are just doing for the money. Also another rule I would add is 3) Class Average If More than 3/4 of the class average is lower than an B (70 % average) then additional people from the government will come and look into the situation.
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Except that education is provincial, not federal... therefore as a prime minister you would have to get all the provinces to agree, and that is a scary thing...
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Especially since BC and Quebec suck and will never agree with Alberta.
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Josh wrote:and you wouldnt be prime minister because the program will cost a pantload of money that could be used somehwere else. think if the disruption in schools. tons of teachers will be continually moving around because the students alcutally organized something for once.
i agree we need some sort of evaluation. it shouldnt involve the students, we just arent reliable Absolutely true, I know in Calgary for our final year we are all required to fill out a questionnaire for about all aspects of our education, from school to teacher to support, but when I was filling it out with my class most people just weren't taking it seriously... everybody was doing it for the sake of completion. Volition, the class average thing looks to be a good method, but it is also the method that promotes the most unethical and downright nasty actions. There used to be many many many systems like that, especially with an incentive basis of getting more funds if you have a high class average, but they never worked out. See the studies made by Jacob, Levitt, Gay, Quintanilla.
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lol highschool students arent nearly mature enough... at least the ones in my school... in theory it makes sense.. if everyone was honest.. but there would be ALOT of teachers getting fired if all it took was 80% consent from a class-full of 14 year olds
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gundam501 wrote:lol highschool students arent nearly mature enough... at least the ones in my school... in theory it makes sense.. if everyone was honest.. but there would be ALOT of teachers getting fired if all it took was 80% consent from a class-full of 14 year olds So true, I had this one teacher who is absolutely FANTASTIC but because his course is hard the lazy people in the class (which is the majority, sadly) all went and protested to the administration and the teacher had to face disciplinary measures... Sure the class average was 48% but I had a 96% and if you did all the assignments, projects, and research like he told you to, anybody could get at least a pass.
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I don't think there needs to be a ton of extra evaluation - it just needs to be easier to fire teachers. Once someone's been teaching for a few years, it becomes very difficult to fire them (go teacher's unions!). And when they do have to lay people off (due to declining enrollment), it's the young teachers who get laid off first since it's all seniority based (again, go unions!). That teacher who's been there for 2 years who everyone loves will get laid off before the useless old teacher who shows up drunk. (Not to say young teachers are always good and old teachers always bad, just an example).
 
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Kaylya wrote:I don't think there needs to be a ton of extra evaluation - it just needs to be easier to fire teachers. Once someone's been teaching for a few years, it becomes very difficult to fire them (go teacher's unions!).
And when they do have to lay people off (due to declining enrollment), it's the young teachers who get laid off first since it's all seniority based (again, go unions!). That teacher who's been there for 2 years who everyone loves will get laid off before the useless old teacher who shows up drunk. (Not to say young teachers are always good and old teachers always bad, just an example). Yeah I had that happen to my ex-art teacher... I adored him to death but he got layed off because all the other people in the art department had more seniority in the school than him. But they all suck!! AAARGH.
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Kaylya wrote:I don't think there needs to be a ton of extra evaluation - it just needs to be easier to fire teachers. Once someone's been teaching for a few years, it becomes very difficult to fire them (go teacher's unions!).
And when they do have to lay people off (due to declining enrollment), it's the young teachers who get laid off first since it's all seniority based (again, go unions!). That teacher who's been there for 2 years who everyone loves will get laid off before the useless old teacher who shows up drunk. (Not to say young teachers are always good and old teachers always bad, just an example). Not to mention that teachers with higher seniority gets paid more xD If you wanted to save some money, you would lay off the old teachers first. And I also agree that teachers should actually be fired. Most wouldn't even risk firing teachers or they'd get fired themselves. And I don't agree that there will be better quality teachers if their salaries are raised- it just attracts more people who want to make money other than teach. I think that students should be able to choose which teacher they want to get. In the beginning of the year, everybody storms into the guidance because they want to switch teachers (and they don't switch it!!) - that wouldn't happen if students got to choose their teachers in the first place!
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Letting students choose their teachers would be an absolute nightmare
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Volition wrote:Create a system where once every year teachers of all Canada be it elementary, high school or above needs to be evaluated.
This evaluation consists of two parts;
1) Class Evaluation
At the end of the year the whole class participates in the survey if the teacher met general requirements of teaching or not and in the bottom of the box you can add a descriptive comment. If more than 80 percent of the class deem the teacher not capable of learning standards then the teacher will be of work no longer
2)Person Evaluation
Randomly maybe 3 times a year a person that works for the goverment comes to the class and evaluates the teacher by surprise so the teacher wont be prepared to be perfect. The person evaluates if the teacher is up to proper teaching standards.
With this system the education system of Canada will be significantly improved! What do you think? I believe it is foolproof. Looking beyond the fact that the PM has little to do with education... Elementary school students and high school students are unfair and biased. Would you really want your career in the hands of a bunch of 10 year olds?
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i think that a student evaluation sort of situation like they have in university would be a good idea to an extent---just not giving them the power to fire anyone right off the bat (e.g. x number of students didn't like you and that's that). I think that they should do evaluations so the schoolboard or principal or whoever is in charge of hiring and renewing teacher contracts can get a good idea of what those teachers are actually like in the classroom. There are some fantastic teachers at my school but there are a couple awful ones (i've been fortunate not to get any of them...i had a really bad teacher a few years ago in my old school, however) and i mean really awful---losing kids' tests or projects and accusing them of not handing it in, and just being very awful at even conveying the information itself so that students who would otherwise get 80s with another teacher end up with 60s (happened to a friend of mine who is very bright, and has an 85 or 86 average with that mark included and who got 90s in that same subject all throughout highschool until this year). It is very difficult to reprimand teachers for this though and administration hasn't responded in any form to the numerous complaints that students have lodged. At the same time you have to remember that some teachers might be terrific at what they do (or even just fairly good) but if they're particularly strict or hardmarkers and ended up with students who just wanted easy marks they might not get the recognition they deserve. Some of the best teachers i've ever had were the ones that i got the lowest marks in---for instance my bio teacher marks pretty hard (sometimes it seems a little unfair) and asks a lot of his students but at the same time i can say that he is one of the best teachers i've ever had---that's one course i know i'm going to be superprepared for when i'm in university. I know a ton of people who dislike him immensely though because he marks so hard. So he wouldn't get the recognition he deserves---it might lead to a situation of easy teachers giving freemarks having stellar reports with some very good teachers who have harder teaching and evaluation methods getting shafted.
also, keep in mind that in some courses where students don't want to be there (e.g. math or science courses for applied junior students...where they're forced to take it)--if you get a teacher who is tight on class control and who tries to get students to learn when they don't want to, they might get even poorer reports despite doing what they should be. Do you let all students evaluate the teachers? a student who is there everyday is going to have a different view than someone who misses half the year.
i think evaluations could be helpful on a longterm basis...if the teacher keeps getting negative reviews year after year that really says something and could maybe be a red flag for admin.
Oh, and i definitely would not put it for any grade less than ninth---maybe just for senior students? at that point they'd have a long enough school experience to compare their teachers and in terms of their comprehension abilities regarding grading someone fairly i'd say they'd probably be at a better level to do so.
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Privatize universities or at least let Queen's and McGill do so.
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HEY GERMAN!
The prime minsiter has actually got to do alot with education as the PM has the potential to seriously enhance of what we have today.
Some people are judging kids way too much. Suppossedly lets say I was a good teacher of a class of 10 years old. If do my job right my students would like me. If I dont do my job right however then my students dont like me.
Do some of you truly believe students are that evil in nature to bite the hand that helps them? I would see no reason for kids to betray a good teacher for no reason.
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Kids learn so much better when they like the teacher. If the teacher's job is to teach, and the kids don't [try to] learn anything because they hate the teacher, then they should be fired. Think about it the other way... would you want your kid in the hands of a bad teacher? One teacher influences the lives of 20 - 80 students (depending if it is elementary of secondary) a day.
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Yeah, and why do a lot of kids like specific teachers? BECAUSE THEY GIVE OUT FREE MARKS! If this "student evaluation system" was put in place, hundreds of honest teachers would lose their jobs because some stupid kids weren't smart enough to learn the material. Whereas dishonest, "mailing-it-in" teachers will be promoted because they give out massive, undeserved marks and therefore was rated highly by his/her students. Trust me, you and I both know that there are plenty of students who hate specific teachers because they didn't get a good mark in his/her class.
If there will be ANY kind of evaluation system, it should be based on the teacher's teaching ability and knowledge of the material rather than his/her "likeability". This isn't to say that the relationships between the teachers and students aren't important, but that there is a big difference between a teacher being able to teach the material well, and students liking the teacher. There are numerous teachers at my school who have a great ability to communicate and teach, but some students still don't like him because his material is hard (Calculus and Vectors).
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