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MIE100 - This class is not as bad as people make it seem, but don't get me wrong, it is still very very bad. Don't worry if you don't know what the hell the prof is talking about the first week or so. Once you get past normal-tangential and polar coordinate systems (which I never did in high school), it's not too bad up until the midterm. Mostly a "review" of particle physics from high school. The midterm is almost disturbingly easy. Don't second-guess yourself. If the answer seems so obvious that it must be wrong, don't change it! It's probably right. The midterm will test you on the foundations of what you have learned, so know them well. I had the coordinator as a professor for this course, Leslie Sinclair. I thought she was really good but I know some people who didn't like her personality (whatever, she's a good teacher). Be sure do DO ALL OF THE PROBLEMS THAT ARE SHOWN IN CLASS. I can almost guarantee you that one of them (or a variation) will appear on the exam and it will be worth 20-25% of the exam mark. Also, make sure you can do vibrations problems as there will be one on the exam, and it is pretty much free marks.
MAT197 - Continuation of MAT196, but with tons and tons of integrals. How to do well? Do a TON of integrals. Don't stop. No, don't stop now either. Keep doing them and you will develop a sort of gut feeling that you need to possess in order to be able to do tough integrals on tests without having to stare at them for half an hour. I had Prof. Cohen for this course and he was amazing. Very interesting guy and an excellent teacher. He was definitely one of my favourite first year professors. As far as the exam goes, it was pretty tough. Well, mostly it was long. A few tricky questions, but if you know how to integrate well, you shouldn't have too many problems. Just be sure you can do them fast.
ECE110 - The first part of this course is electricity and magnetism. Basically just understand some of the basic concepts and then memorize a ton of formulas. Yes, it's insanity, but you have to know them all. The first quiz is basically formula regurgitation. For the bulk of the course (after electricity and magnetism), you will learn circuit analysis. This might seem stupid, but be sure you really understand basic things such as potential difference, current/voltage dividers, the idea of a ground, etc. This will help you immensely. Other than that, just practice solving circuits. The book questions are pretty good. The quizzes are not too hard but are hard to finish in the given time. The labs are easy easy marks. As long as you show up with the prep work done and finish the lab, you will get 100%. The exam was not too bad. The layout is nearly identical to past exams, so study those. My Prof for the course was Costas Sarris and I thought he was excellent. This guy will do his absolute best to ensure that everybody understands what is going on. Go to his office hours with questions. He is very friendly and approachable.
APS104 - Sort of an odd course that seems like a combination of two quarter courses. For the first half of the class, you do physical chemistry and for the second half, you do materials science. The physical chemistry problems in the book are extremely easy, so be sure to do the supplemental problems when they give them. ALWAYS go to the tutorials and do the problems at the end. Those problems WILL show up on tests. For the Chemistry section, my Prof was Edgar Acosta who was horrendous. I started attending Prof. Cheng's lectures near the end and she was great. For the Materials section, I had Prof. Erb, who was a good teacher, but never seemed to know what was going on in terms of tests or course administration. On the Chemistry tests, some questions will seem like you don't have enough information unless you notice a key word. For example, a popular one seemed to be "adiabatic" which means that q = 0. Once you have that key piece of information, everything falls into place. The exam, which was all materials, was straight forward and as long as you can do the tutorial problems, you should be fine.
APS112 - Continuation of APS111, this course is pretty much all document writing and doing presentations. The two multiple choice quizzes are tough, but not as bad as the APS111 ones. The first few documents are marked really hard, but as you revise, you will find it not too hard to be getting 70's or 80's on them. I think the course average for this course was a B- (insanely high for engineering), so just work hard and you should be fine.
If you have any questions, feel free to PM me.
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Hello everyone,
Thanks for the great advice.
This fall I will be going to U of T Electrical Engineering but am pretty scared about some courses that I have to take first year. In particular, APS105 - Computer Fundamentals. I have absolutely no experience in programming so I have some questions:
1) Does the professor expect you to have prior knowledge of the material that will be covered in the course? 2) If yes, then what can I do to perform well in the course?
Any input will be greatly appreciated Thanks
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No they don't. You can pick up a for Dummies book and learn that stuff if you want, 2 months should be OK.
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G.S.G wrote:Hello everyone,
Thanks for the great advice.
This fall I will be going to U of T Electrical Engineering but am pretty scared about some courses that I have to take first year. In particular, APS105 - Computer Fundamentals. I have absolutely no experience in programming so I have some questions:
1) Does the professor expect you to have prior knowledge of the material that will be covered in the course? 2) If yes, then what can I do to perform well in the course?
Any input will be greatly appreciated Thanks Taiyab is right, you don't need to know anything. Most people have a difficulty just understanding how to think about programming because it's so sequential and basic level of thinking. If you can understand the way of thinking for when you program, then you will have no problems!
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The coding itself is not very hard. You have to learn how to use the tools at your disposal (C++ or whatever language they will teach) to solve problems.
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Thanks again for some great advice! I was just wondering ... in general, how are the profs? Are they enthusiastic when they teach? Like do they get "into" it? Or is teaching just a nusance that hinders their research time?
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de4thx wrote:Thanks again for some great advice! I was just wondering ... in general, how are the profs? Are they enthusiastic when they teach? Like do they get "into" it? Or is teaching just a nusance that hinders their research time? you'll find that out yourself soon enough but I wouldn't say the prof's are super excited about getting into the lab and doing research anyways haha most enjoy their time teaching
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Thanks a lot! I feel much better. I was just worried that everyone else was talking about programming and it seemed like they were experts, but i on the other hand don't know anything. I guess I will make an effort to try and learn the basics over the summer so I don't do too bad.
Thanks again
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Of the 11 or so Profs I had first year, only two of them were horrible enough for me to try and switch lecture sections. As for programming, I had absolutely no experience going into the class and I got an 80. A friend of mine had no experience and he got a 90. So, it might help to learn over the summer but it's really not needed.
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So what kinds of programs are a good idea to have for first year engineering? What C++ compiler is used, and should I get Mathematica or Maple? (I can get them for free ;))
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de4thx wrote:So what kinds of programs are a good idea to have for first year engineering? What C++ compiler is used, and should I get Mathematica or Maple? (I can get them for free ;)) first year? pretty much nothing lol you won't even use matlab (that's all 2nd year onwards) programming is done on the Red Hat Unix labs, they use the gcc compilers but that really doesn't matter whatsoever for your uses
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Wow! u guys had some great advice! =) good going! er...i would appreciate some information on second yr courses too (lol coz i'm done with first year!)....by information, i mean an idea of which course takes more time and which profs are good etc....i've heard its the hardest year for ECEs, so i'm not really looking forward to it  and i was wondering if anyone knows the average gpa in first year? or second year? Also, is it necessary to do a co-op job after second year? or is a 16 months PEY (after third year) good enough? Thanks a bunch! =)
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You're in ECE second year too? Cool, maybe we'll be in some classes together. Who else on this forum is going into ECE second year?
As for your questions, I'm sure bijanv can answer the ones on second year classes. As for the average GPA questions, you can kind of get an idea using the Engineering Ranking thing they have on the registrar site. But, I would guess that the average would probably be in the C range (2.0).
PEY is an optional 12 or 16 month placement you can take after second or third year. So, it really doesn't matter when or if you take it. You need 600 hours of engineering experience to graduate however, so PEY would take care of that.
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i am also going to ECE second year at UofT 
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I would say the hardest courses for "me" (I'm sure other people have different opinions based on what their strengths are) were Calc III and Electricity & Magnetism (which is pretty much Calc IV lol) .
Profs that I really enjoyed were Prof. Rose (241) and Moshovos (243). I'm not sure who will be teaching the other courses so I can't really say which prof would be better.
2nd year is pretty tough but it's not that bad. 1st semester average gpa is like 2.7? and second semseter went a little bit higher but only because there was like a 25% bell curve up in 243 lol actually not even a bell curve.. he just added 25% to everyone's marks and a whole bunch of people got 100% or 99% in the course haha
co-op is never necessary (well minus getting the 600 hours) but is always a good idea, otherwise what would you be doing during your summer? You can do you PEY after 2nd or 3rd year but I strongly suggest after 3rd year as most jobs require 3rd year knowledge
oh I also went through a bunch of courses in another thread so you might want to find that one and have a look
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@bijanv : Thanks a lot! ......oooh 25%?! wow! sounds good! but i bet the exam must have been horrible......looked up the other thread too.....and now i feel better prepared for second year lol.....thanks again!  *bows*  @aztekxero : thanks for ur reply! yes, we might be in some class together! or maybe we were already in some common class lol @UofT2011 : yay! another batchmate/classmate!  P.S. i totally love emoticons! haha
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He added 25% to everyone's mark!? What was the final average?
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can anyone explain how the bell curve thing work at U of T? Also, I attended a summer enrichment program a few weeks ago and I find that there are many extremely smart/smart-sounding people who seemed to study physics during their spare time and read up all the physics history etc, so I'm pretty initimidated by them. I was wondering if you have to be one of those people to get good marks or can you pretty much learn everything just by paying attention to the lectures, doing hmk and there's no need to go beyond that?
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starlight wrote:can anyone explain how the bell curve thing work at U of T? Also, I attended a summer enrichment program a few weeks ago and I find that there are many extremely smart/smart-sounding people who seemed to study physics during their spare time and read up all the physics history etc, so I'm pretty initimidated by them. I was wondering if you have to be one of those people to get good marks or can you pretty much learn everything just by paying attention to the lectures, doing hmk and there's no need to go beyond that? The bell curve works so that regardless of percentage mark, the top 2% of the class get an A+, the next 5% get an A, the next 5% get an A-, etc, the bottom 10% fail. So it has more to do with how well you do in relation to how your class is doing. I don't go to U of T so for all I know they have some weird system of bell curving it, but I doubt it. Also in some of my classes last year they would do a combo of bell curving it and taking into account 'historical data' (aka how well other classes in the past have done). I'm not exactly sure how it worked, but it was pretty much the same. Haha no you don't need to study physics and physics history in your spare time. You're going to need to do a little bit more than just paying attention and doing homework (it's not highschool anymore!). So you will probably have to read the textbook, do practice problems, go get help if necessary. Good time managament and preparation will be all you need to succeed!
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Quote:can anyone explain how the bell curve thing work at U of T? First off the bell curve usually never drops your marks, only increases it. Some proffessors at UofT use Bell curve as their "cushion"... and what i mean by that is, the profs need to make sure the class average is lower or equal to a certain average (usually 68%). Now, im strictly talking about first year, becasue as you might have noticed in other threads, the class averages are more flexible in other years. Ok now back to my "cushion theory"  (which i hate btw): Lets say class average is 70% before the exam (obviously it might not be, but this is just a example). The prof will usually make the exam hard, hard enough to bring the class average down by alot. Now lets say, after exam the class average is 63%, usually they wont bell curve this mark (especially for classes like calculus). Now forget about the 63%, lets say the class average after exam was 58%. They will bell curve this mark (lets say they bell curve it to a 68%). the closer you are to the CLASS AVERAGE (before bell curve), the HIGHER your boost in marks. The Farther you are to the class average the lower your boost. If you are AT class average, then that will be your highest boost (58% before will go to a 68% after) Lets say you have a 65 % before bell curve [class average is 58%, bell curve average is 68%]. Your final average (after bell curve) will probably be a little higher then 73% ( which is hard to calaulute, cause that depends on the course median and stuff like that). Heres a little something to how hard the exam can be http://www.math.toronto.edu/burbulla/detailed/solsfinal187s.pdfclass average was 52%ish (Look at first page stats) as it says there, but this is one of the harder exam. But dont let is scare you, the exam itself was not hard, there was just so much material to cover that it was hard to practice/understand them all. This was MAT187 (calculus course for engineers excluding ECE, Eng-sci and track one) EDIT: it was a hard exam because the class average was apparently very high before the exam... i think a 74% but im not sure becasue i didnt take this course, i took MAT197, which is suppodsely harder, but i dunno about that.
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