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My friend, who academically does worse than me in school, got into UC Berkeley. (eg. when i got 93 in chem in first try, she got 90 by redoing it online.) Her parents have ton of money for tutoring, books, orchestra, special volunteering opportunities, SAT preps, etc. to make her a really strong applicant though. (Btw, I am aware that UC Berkeley is not an Ivy League. However, it is ranked as high as Ivy League schools in rankings.) Anyway, there are people like her, and then there are people with 93 averages with pretty decent supplementals getting rejected by UBC Commerce. Something's messed up here. UBC Bachelor of Science 2012 — Major in Computer Science
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Yes, but it really depends on which one and which faculty as well. Honestly though, Berkeley isn't as hard to get into relative to some Ivy Leagues (I have a friend who got into Berkeley but rejected to Harvard and Yale), and I'm not so sure about what they really look for in a succesful (like, for Yale, supplementary info is weighed so enormously).
And your friend's supplementary info must look very good on paper or she must have gone out of her way to impress them. In many US unis, you're allowed to send them additional materials such as CDs, so that might have been the big push. I have several friends who are currently in Ivy League, and one of them (who ended up going to Yale) arranged personal interviews with some administrative people which, I think, was the deciding point for him getting in.
UWO 2012
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Oh I see. Yeah US schools do base their decisions heavily on sup app.
I used to think that US elite schools were extremely prestigious & selective, but after seeing some people (who I didn't think were that amazing) get in, I now have different opinions.
UBC Bachelor of Science 2012 — Major in Computer Science
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If it makes you feel any better about UBC, their admission standards are REALLY WEIRD.... I have so many people who got into UTSG, Queens, McGill, UWO etc but got rejected to UBC.
UWO 2012
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I don't know about UC Berkley (other than it is generally a fairly competitive school), but the Wikipedia article on the Ivy League says acceptance rates range from about 7-20% of applicants depending on the school. While high academic achievement is needed, they really are looking at the total package. They want good students, but they don't want to limit themselves solely to the people with 99% averages.
Remember that it often takes just as long to do a search or two on Google to try and find the answer to your question as it takes to type it in a post here, let alone the time waiting for a reply. If your question is "What mark does it take to get into University X", or "What are the requirements to get into University X", it's on their website and/or electronicinfo.ca (for Ontario schools). Particularly for Ontario schools, those ranges are a pretty good picture of what kind of mark will get you into the program, and if you're more than a couple percent higher it's practically guaranteed unless it requires a supplementary form.
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Kaylya wrote:I don't know about UC Berkley (other than it is generally a fairly competitive school), but the Wikipedia article on the Ivy League says acceptance rates range from about 7-20% of applicants depending on the school.
While high academic achievement is needed, they really are looking at the total package. They want good students, but they don't want to limit themselves solely to the people with 99% averages. There was a guy in our school with 99% average and he didn't get into any of the Ivy's he applied to. I'm guessing, he had no extracurricular and that is unacceptable. UWO 2012
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I've always gotten the impression that the Ivy League schools aren't that much better than most others. I think they've gotten most of their prestige from the prestigious families who send their kids there (and who have the money to do so). I think frequently if you have the money to get in, you probably will.
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karla wrote:I've always gotten the impression that the Ivy League schools aren't that much better than most others. I think they've gotten most of their prestige from the prestigious families who send their kids there (and who have the money to do so). I think frequently if you have the money to get in, you probably will. I think that your point about bribery is true with any academic institution though. UWO 2012
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karla wrote:I've always gotten the impression that the Ivy League schools aren't that much better than most others. I think they've gotten most of their prestige from the prestigious families who send their kids there (and who have the money to do so). I think frequently if you have the money to get in, you probably will. There is no basis for this comment at all.
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Kaylya wrote:While high academic achievement is needed, they really are looking at the total package. They want good students, but they don't want to limit themselves solely to the people with 99% averages. Yes, that's very true. A pair of interviewers from Princeton University flew up here to personally assess potential applicants. In the end, my friend's brother was accepted into Princeton University because of his wonderful extra-curricular activities. His marks wasn't exactly spectacular, just average (and when compared to some other Ivy League applicants, his was relatively horrid.) But because he was the President of the School and actively participates in community activities and volunteering, he passed the screenings and the interviewers deemed him acceptable. He's slated for September 2008 Business @ Princeton. That said, in the end, it's all entirely up to the interviewers' discretion. You will only get in if they, and only they, personally acknowledge and green-lights your entrance. If you didn't get in, it's because they weren't convinced of your qualities. Their say holds pretty much 100% weight in your application, so be sure to dress for success, be confident, and adequately prepare for the questions they ask of you. Just like to share a tidbit about that. =]
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Honestly, getting into an ivy league school is a lottery, your chances increase if you are a strong student, well-rounded and have good networking skills. Pay attention to that last bit, that's often the difference between getting in and getting rejected. Don't believe me? one of my good friends: high 80's, a few low 90's, a few sports (nothing major) and a bit of volunteering here and there ( again, only around 120 hours, no campaigns, no raising of 1000's of dollars) got into HARVARD Again, didn't have a 90's average or major achievements. The difference; contacts at Harvard Pourquoi?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf94uiIbItg
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karla wrote:I've always gotten the impression that the Ivy League schools aren't that much better than most others. I think they've gotten most of their prestige from the prestigious families who send their kids there (and who have the money to do so). I think frequently if you have the money to get in, you probably will. This could not be more incorrect. Take a look at endowments/bredth of programs/ quality of students and library holdings. Ivy league schools are AMAZING. With that said, I consider schools like Duke, Stanford, Amherst, etc to be on the same level as the ivies. To the OP, you should know that Berkley is a good grad school, but not an exceptional undergraduate school. The undergrad experience at Berkley is like U of T, ie: large class sizes. A school like Amherst, Harvard college, Princeton, Yale, etc is the complete opposite.
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I was admitted into UPenn Arts and Science, and boy, I was totally not expecting it! Haha, I applied to five Ivies...Harvard, Columbia, UPenn Princeton and Yale. Got rejected by Princeton and Columbia but wait-listed for Harvard and Yale. Although I did get off the wait-list for Harvard recently (shocked my whole family....), I am still looking forward to attending UPenn in hopes of transferring to Wharton in my second year. Applying for the Ivy Leagues is a tendious, and frustrating process! But again, it's worth a try, because you will never know.... And they are quite competitive...going into the single digitals for admission acceptance now!  good luck tho
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From the way you make it sounds, it seems like the reason why your friend's brother was accepted was because he hwas the president of the student council and participated in all these ECs. Honestly, there are many more duplicates out there like your firend's brother, who also applied to Princeton. But then again, it depends on what you mean by "average" marks. And not to mention his SAT scores, and application essays. It's not ALL entirely up to teh interviewer's discretion, but I do believe many other factors have to be taken into consideration. With this being said, I bet he had an A-grade personality to overide his so called "average marks" and to be offered admission into Princeton.
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So does a person need high 90's to get in, or are low 90's good?
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joyful45 wrote:So does a person need high 90's to get in, or are low 90's good? There is no admission cutoff. People are evaluated on a case by case basis. However, low grades may disqualify you from consideration. A high school friend of mine got in with 80's in HS and I got in with 80's in undergrad.
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They evaluate it on a case by case? How much time do they spend looking at each application then? And I checked the MIT admission stats page (although it's not an Ivy, but it's still a top school) - http://www.mitadmissions.org/topics/apply/admissions_statistics/ - what does ranking in the top 5% percent mean? Thanks!
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5% means like a 3.8+ GPA.
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US schools do a "class ranking", where Suzie with the 99.2% average is #1, Joe with the 97.7% average is #2, and so forth. So this would mean in the top 5% of their class, where "class" is in the sense of "the class of 2008". Totaling up the numbers in the class ranking column with the total number of admits and a sizable chunk of applicants (1/3rd ish) were not ranked in that way. And while being in the top 5% of your class is a good thing, it's clearly not an absolute must.
Remember that it often takes just as long to do a search or two on Google to try and find the answer to your question as it takes to type it in a post here, let alone the time waiting for a reply. If your question is "What mark does it take to get into University X", or "What are the requirements to get into University X", it's on their website and/or electronicinfo.ca (for Ontario schools). Particularly for Ontario schools, those ranges are a pretty good picture of what kind of mark will get you into the program, and if you're more than a couple percent higher it's practically guaranteed unless it requires a supplementary form.
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True. You hit everything on the spot. =)
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