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pwilliams
Posted: Friday, May 30, 2008 2:59:32 AM
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Hello. I want to transfer to the economics program at Queen's (I'm already at Queen's). Has anybody done this or know what is required?

I assume, since it's within Faculty of Arts rather than Business, it would be easier but I'm still not sure. Would a 69 average do it?

NEM99
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I'm going to say no.

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Kaylya
Posted: Friday, May 30, 2008 10:43:52 AM

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Unlike what the previous poster suggests, transferring programs within Arts shouldn't be too difficult (but not knowing the policies in place at Queen's, I don't know whether a 69 would do it). I think the best place to start would be an academic advisor or contacting someone in the Econ department.

Remember that it often takes just as long to do a search or two on Google to try and find the answer to your question as it takes to type it in a post here, let alone the time waiting for a reply.
If your question is "What mark does it take to get into University X", or "What are the requirements to get into University X", it's on their website and/or electronicinfo.ca (for Ontario schools). Particularly for Ontario schools, those ranges are a pretty good picture of what kind of mark will get you into the program, and if you're more than a couple percent higher it's practically guaranteed unless it requires a supplementary form.
CRAZYBUBBA
Posted: Friday, May 30, 2008 10:51:51 AM

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If you're in arts and you want to transfer into Economics you can indeed do it easily. Just change your major on Qcard when they ask you to do so over the summer.

If you're in Kingston you can get it done right now by talking to Janine Ball in the Econ department.

This does not mean that you will graduate with an Econ degree. Pay attention to the courses which you must take and the required overall average in order to graduate.

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pwilliams
Posted: Friday, May 30, 2008 12:37:44 PM
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CRAZYBUBBA wrote:
If you're in arts and you want to transfer into Economics you can indeed do it easily. Just change your major on Qcard when they ask you to do so over the summer.

If you're in Kingston you can get it done right now by talking to Janine Ball in the Econ department.

This does not mean that you will graduate with an Econ degree. Pay attention to the courses which you must take and the required overall average in order to graduate.


I'm not in arts though, I'm in applied science (and not a big fan of it). Any experienes with people from another faculty?

With what you said though, could I just apply to any random arts program that seems easy to get into, and then switch it on qcard? The thing is, I've already paid for an application for econ and applied econ (both in the same application). I'd have to pay for another one to do that, though its not a lot of money anyway. Plus, it seems kind of risky to just switch? So theres not application or anything else needed to switch a major? Is there a deadline to do so on qcard? Because it would take time to get my transfer to arts processed, so I wouldn't want to be stuck.

Ooosh
Posted: Friday, May 30, 2008 1:02:34 PM
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Have you taken economics? As long as you get above something like 65% for the first year requirement you can major.
I didn't, just did not get it!

Uschi
Queen's '10

CRAZYBUBBA
Posted: Friday, May 30, 2008 1:44:39 PM

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If you're in Engineering at Queen's you can't just change it on QCARD. You'll be applying to transfer to another faculty and it depends how much space there is. With that said, 69% is not bad... not bad at all considering that you were in Applied Science. there shouldn't be a problem. You have the minimum average to be considered.

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NEM99
Posted: Friday, May 30, 2008 4:51:24 PM
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pwilliams wrote:
I'm not in arts though, I'm in applied science (and not a big fan of it).


oh my.. Would you mind elaborating on why you dislike the applied science program?

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pwilliams
Posted: Saturday, May 31, 2008 1:48:51 AM
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NEM99 wrote:
pwilliams wrote:
I'm not in arts though, I'm in applied science (and not a big fan of it).


oh my.. Would you mind elaborating on why you dislike the applied science program?


well, firstly, I should clear up that this isn't a sure thing, it's an option for me

I've found that most of the courses I'm taking I just don't care much about and I don't want to be stuck working making pipes or something like that after I graduate. I am interested in business/economics though..

in all likelyhood, I'll end up finishing my engineering degree with a dual degree in economics, and hopefully work in some sort of consulting firm. The thing is, I'm not sure what the chances of that would be.

The only reason I'd take just economics (without engineering) would be to hopefully, with a year of very good marks (because I'm sure I could do extremely well with econ courses), transfer into a commerce/business program. The problem with this is my engineering avg would suck comparitevely to other ppl in arts also looking to switch. The thing that would save me, if it is considered at all, is them seeing how well I do with economics courses. If this is the case, then doing just econ becomes a serious option

so yea, to sum it up, I'm more interested in business courses than engineering, but it'd be tough to leave an engineering program and risk being screwed out of both eng and commerce.
NEM99
Posted: Saturday, May 31, 2008 3:24:54 AM
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hmm interesting. I'm just curious because that's where i'm going next year. Queen's App. Sci.

Most importantly.. Did you have fun this year?

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CRAZYBUBBA
Posted: Saturday, May 31, 2008 7:50:25 AM

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The engineers at Queen's make the sweeping assumption that economics is easy. You seem to be doing the same. I would caution against it.

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pwilliams
Posted: Saturday, May 31, 2008 3:25:04 PM
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NEM99 wrote:
hmm interesting. I'm just curious because that's where i'm going next year. Queen's App. Sci.

Most importantly.. Did you have fun this year?


hey, yea don't let what I said deter you at all, its just a personal preference. I do like engineering, but I've liked business just as much even before I started university...it was a tossup for which program to choose

I'd say well over 90% of the engineers love the program and the experience in general, especially during first year. Frosh week is nuts and it goes from there, but you have to keep in mind theres still lots of work to do, as easy as it may seem in the first 2 weeks of the year

also, what I said about working in a piping plant or whatever is a bit of an exaggeration, unless you want to do that (because there are jobs for engineers in places like that).. I'm in mech, and for me personally I dont like any of the industrial stuff, like working with machinery in a shop or whatever, so when I found I was doing that a bit during my first year of mech (2nd year of eng), it was kind of a turn off. What I did like was designing stuff and the option for biomech (so like designing artificial joints and what not), but I havent had the chance to do anything related to biomech yet

pwilliams
Posted: Saturday, May 31, 2008 3:34:27 PM
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CRAZYBUBBA wrote:
The engineers at Queen's make the sweeping assumption that economics is easy. You seem to be doing the same. I would caution against it.


hmm, I was trying to gauge that but I'm not sure...I talked to a friend of mine and he never went to lectures and learned the course the day before with Course Cram and would end up with a 70+. This is the intro econ course though, so I'm not sure if they get harder after. he said that if he actually went to lectures and did work along the way, he could end up with a 90. I'm not sure if he's just saying that but its the only thing I have to go by...

I know its hard to say, but in your experiences if you took a typical queen's engineer and they took an econ course in which they DID keep up and work hard and not blow it off, how well do you think they'd do??
Ooosh
Posted: Saturday, May 31, 2008 3:46:46 PM
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pwilliams wrote:
CRAZYBUBBA wrote:
The engineers at Queen's make the sweeping assumption that economics is easy. You seem to be doing the same. I would caution against it.


hmm, I was trying to gauge that but I'm not sure...I talked to a friend of mine and he never went to lectures and learned the course the day before with Course Cram and would end up with a 70+. This is the intro econ course though, so I'm not sure if they get harder after. he said that if he actually went to lectures and did work along the way, he could end up with a 90. I'm not sure if he's just saying that but its the only thing I have to go by...

I know its hard to say, but in your experiences if you took a typical queen's engineer and they took an econ course in which they DID keep up and work hard and not blow it off, how well do you think they'd do??


And on the other side of the spectrum my Mech. Eng friend took ECON, studied and studied, went to about 1/2 the classes and ended up failing.

Uschi
Queen's '10

Stringer
Posted: Saturday, May 31, 2008 3:47:03 PM

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Economics is a lot of common sense. Some people have a knack for it and can fly through it. Others don't "get it". Just depends on the person.

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CRAZYBUBBA
Posted: Saturday, May 31, 2008 3:56:27 PM

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pwilliams wrote:
CRAZYBUBBA wrote:
The engineers at Queen's make the sweeping assumption that economics is easy. You seem to be doing the same. I would caution against it.


hmm, I was trying to gauge that but I'm not sure...I talked to a friend of mine and he never went to lectures and learned the course the day before with Course Cram and would end up with a 70+. This is the intro econ course though, so I'm not sure if they get harder after. he said that if he actually went to lectures and did work along the way, he could end up with a 90. I'm not sure if he's just saying that but its the only thing I have to go by...

I know its hard to say, but in your experiences if you took a typical queen's engineer and they took an econ course in which they DID keep up and work hard and not blow it off, how well do you think they'd do??


Well alot of the Eng kids get minors in which their math courses are already covered and they only need to work through macro/micro second year (1 credit total) anyone doing a major in econ will have to take econometrics and third year macro micro, which is MUCH harder. I just wanted to let you know that you should be aware that it isn't as easy as all the engineers say that it is.

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