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Okay, I am gr. 11 student going into gr. 12 . . . people have been telling me that I NEED calculus in order to be accepted into u of t life sciences. My school offers Calculus (math 1500) which in actuality is A UNIVERSITY COURSE, not an AP or Highschool Course . . . I don't understand why I have to take that in order to qualify for admission to u of t. In grade 12 I will be talking PreCal. Is that good enough to qualify? On the u of t site, it says applicants from Manitoba require 5 TOP courses, and they list Calculus, PreCal, Physics, Bio, Chem and English/French  so can I just apply with PreCal instead of Calculus (because I have no way to take it either way).
Also, in first year universityyou don't start your "major" of interest right away, right? Like, in firstyear you take prerequisites for that major . . . is that correct, or not. I would love for that to be cleared up because I am really confused about it.
Also, does the university of toronto offer an "intro to calculus" course, if so, couldn't I just take that in first year and then move on to more intermediate Calculus because I am interested in a life sciences program.
PreCalculus 12 covers: Circular Functions Transformations Trigonometric Identities Exponents and Logarithms Permutations, Combinations, Binomial Theorem Conics Probability Geometric Sequences Statistics
Is this what HS kids in Ontario learning in gr. 12 math? (I understand you guys have math courses called Advanced Functions, Data and Calculus and Vectors"


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malaz wrote:Okay, I am gr. 11 student going into gr. 12 . . . people have been telling me that I NEED calculus in order to be accepted into u of t life sciences. My school offers Calculus (math 1500) which in actuality is A UNIVERSITY COURSE, not an AP or Highschool Course . . . I don't understand why I have to take that in order to qualify for admission to u of t. In grade 12 I will be talking PreCal. Is that good enough to qualify? On the u of t site, it says applicants from Manitoba require 5 TOP courses, and they list Calculus, PreCal, Physics, Bio, Chem and English/French  so can I just apply with PreCal instead of Calculus (because I have no way to take it either way).
Also, in first year universityyou don't start your "major" of interest right away, right? Like, in firstyear you take prerequisites for that major . . . is that correct, or not. I would love for that to be cleared up because I am really confused about it.
Also, does the university of toronto offer an "intro to calculus" course, if so, couldn't I just take that in first year and then move on to more intermediate Calculus because I am interested in a life sciences program.
PreCalculus 12 covers: Circular Functions Transformations Trigonometric Identities Exponents and Logarithms Permutations, Combinations, Binomial Theorem Conics Probability Geometric Sequences Statistics
Is this what HS kids in Ontario learning in gr. 12? Well about majors. Some universities make you declare your major right away. But unis like Toronto and Mac dont. First year just take the right prereq for you major which could be sometimes be declared before second year. McMaster Electrical and Biomedical Engineering Class of 2015 ..has sadly made the transition over to MacInsiders


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malaz wrote:Okay, I am gr. 11 student going into gr. 12 . . . people have been telling me that I NEED calculus in order to be accepted into u of t life sciences. My school offers Calculus (math 1500) which in actuality is A UNIVERSITY COURSE, not an AP or Highschool Course . . . I don't understand why I have to take that in order to qualify for admission to u of t. In grade 12 I will be talking PreCal. Is that good enough to qualify? On the u of t site, it says applicants from Manitoba require 5 TOP courses, and they list Calculus, PreCal, Physics, Bio, Chem and English/French  so can I just apply with PreCal instead of Calculus (because I have no way to take it either way).
Also, in first year universityyou don't start your "major" of interest right away, right? Like, in firstyear you take prerequisites for that major . . . is that correct, or not. I would love for that to be cleared up because I am really confused about it.
Also, does the university of toronto offer an "intro to calculus" course, if so, couldn't I just take that in first year and then move on to more intermediate Calculus because I am interested in a life sciences program.
PreCalculus 12 covers: Circular Functions Transformations Trigonometric Identities Exponents and Logarithms Permutations, Combinations, Binomial Theorem Conics Probability Geometric Sequences Statistics
Is this what HS kids in Ontario learning in gr. 12 math? (I understand you guys have math courses called Advanced Functions, Data and Calculus and Vectors" 1. Not sure about the Manitoba system 2. With U of T, you'll declare your program after the first year. Not sure about other universities. 3. What/s rong with taking university courses? What's wrong with getting a good start? I suggest you take the university course and then go to more of the uni level courses once you reach it. University of Lethbridge: Digital Audio Arts 2014


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dofer49 wrote: 3. What/s rong with taking university courses? What's wrong with getting a good start? I suggest you take the university course and then go to more of the uni level courses once you reach it.
There's nothing wrong with thatin fact i'll be talking AP Biology to get a head start. I don't mind taking Calculus, I wish I could, but I can't. It's too long a story but in short there's a huge schedule conflict since my school offers it only first semester. Thank you and HopefulUniGirl for the helpthat's what I thought regarding majors.


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You would have to contact uoft to be sure however most universities require calculus no matter which province you are from, they do make some exceptions like for example if your school does not offer a calculus course, so in this case since they do offer one you would most likely be required to take calculus in some manner in order to qualify for the program. If scheduling at your school makes this difficult then you would most likely be expected to adjust your schedule accordingly, take it online somewhere, night school at a different school or contact them and ask if they would make an exception with your admission. That being said your precalc sounds like a combination of advanced functions and data management, calculus and vectors is a whole different monster(not a bad monster, it's fun, but a monster).
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malaz wrote:Okay, I am gr. 11 student going into gr. 12 . . . people have been telling me that I NEED calculus in order to be accepted into u of t life sciences. My school offers Calculus (math 1500) which in actuality is A UNIVERSITY COURSE, not an AP or Highschool Course . . . I don't understand why I have to take that in order to qualify for admission to u of t. In grade 12 I will be talking PreCal. Is that good enough to qualify? On the u of t site, it says applicants from Manitoba require 5 TOP courses, and they list Calculus, PreCal, Physics, Bio, Chem and English/French  so can I just apply with PreCal instead of Calculus (because I have no way to take it either way).
Also, in first year universityyou don't start your "major" of interest right away, right? Like, in firstyear you take prerequisites for that major . . . is that correct, or not. I would love for that to be cleared up because I am really confused about it.
Also, does the university of toronto offer an "intro to calculus" course, if so, couldn't I just take that in first year and then move on to more intermediate Calculus because I am interested in a life sciences program.
PreCalculus 12 covers: Circular Functions Transformations Trigonometric Identities Exponents and Logarithms Permutations, Combinations, Binomial Theorem Conics Probability Geometric Sequences Statistics
Is this what HS kids in Ontario learning in gr. 12 math? (I understand you guys have math courses called Advanced Functions, Data and Calculus and Vectors" your precalculus class sounds like it covers things from data and advanced functions (however it doesn't sound like it covers all of what both classes cover, and geometric sequences are covered in grade 11 here in ontario)
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You might want to look at what UFT considers as the course equivalents. We can tell you the breakdown of the Ontario curriculum, but UFT has the final say and you should ask them. http://www.adm.utoronto.ca/admawards/html/admissions/adm_pdf_files/uab_chs_equiv.pdfThe link is from UFT; I don't know if it can be generalised to all of the other universities. University of Western Ontario '13  Biomedical Sciences How Purple Are YOU?MedSyd 09/10 ~ London Hall 10/11 A song to listen to~


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malaz wrote:Okay, I am gr. 11 student going into gr. 12 . . . people have been telling me that I NEED calculus in order to be accepted into u of t life sciences. My school offers Calculus (math 1500) which in actuality is A UNIVERSITY COURSE, not an AP or Highschool Course . . . I don't understand why I have to take that in order to qualify for admission to u of t. In grade 12 I will be talking PreCal. Is that good enough to qualify? On the u of t site, it says applicants from Manitoba require 5 TOP courses, and they list Calculus, PreCal, Physics, Bio, Chem and English/French  so can I just apply with PreCal instead of Calculus (because I have no way to take it either way).
Also, in first year universityyou don't start your "major" of interest right away, right? Like, in firstyear you take prerequisites for that major . . . is that correct, or not. I would love for that to be cleared up because I am really confused about it.
Also, does the university of toronto offer an "intro to calculus" course, if so, couldn't I just take that in first year and then move on to more intermediate Calculus because I am interested in a life sciences program.
PreCalculus 12 covers: Circular Functions Transformations Trigonometric Identities Exponents and Logarithms Permutations, Combinations, Binomial Theorem Conics Probability Geometric Sequences Statistics
Is this what HS kids in Ontario learning in gr. 12 math? (I understand you guys have math courses called Advanced Functions, Data and Calculus and Vectors" In my opinion, I think PreCalculus is a course that combines advanced functions/Data...So take the Calculus course for better preparation because Calculus and Vectors cover some important things that will help you in university cal (integrals, more derivatives etc)


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Your HS university course is actually not a real university course. It's called a university course because it's a prereq to real university courses. Essentially, the HS universitylevel course is a course you need to prepare you for next year's course(s) (at least it is what admissions look for, anyway). If you can't enroll in yours, then what I would do is to first ask the admissions ppl whether they can give you an exception (explain your situation) when you apply next year. If they turn you down, then find other ways to get that credit (private school, online, etc). Good luck! UTSG LIFE SCIENCE 2014 I will quit at the turn of the millenium.


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Actually it is not needed, it is recommended . In reality you could just write the AP Exam and not take the course (like I did) and they still wouldn't care. Although i chose UBC instead when I found out they aren't going to let people skip their 1styear calculus


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DeadLine wrote:Your HS university course is actually not a real university course. It's called a university course because it's a prereq to real university courses. Essentially, the HS universitylevel course is a course you need to prepare you for next year's course(s) (at least it is what admissions look for, anyway).
If you can't enroll in yours, then what I would do is to first ask the admissions ppl whether they can give you an exception (explain your situation) when you apply next year. If they turn you down, then find other ways to get that credit (private school, online, etc).
Good luck! It is actually a university course administered by the University of Manitobait is called MAT1500 and we are required to write the midterm and final ... and if you succeed you get 3 credit hours (whatever those are) ... since I am interested in U of TI am just going for the high school credit. Which is completely fine by me. Thank you ALL guys for the helpful commentsI figured out that I could possibly concurrently take Precalculus 40s and the Intro to Calculus/advanced math course ... this summer I will prepare for precala family friend is a math teacher, and she is extremely smart (since she studied math in university) so she's going to help me and that would help me tackle both Precal and Calculus at the same time come September. And I definitely, IF I get accepted into u of t, don't want to go into physics and chemistry class and be like "I don't understand this" if I only had a precal background. So I want to prepare as much as possible. lemun wrote:Actually it is not needed, it is recommended . In reality you could just write the AP Exam and not take the course (like I did) and they still wouldn't care. Although i chose UBC instead when I found out they aren't going to let people skip their 1styear calculus There is no AP Exam, there is a midterm and a final that we have to write since it is a first year university intro to calculus course, I take these tests at the University. Also for the people that said that my PreCal course doesn't cover all the stuff that the Ontario curriculum covers, what's missing? I am extremely curious.


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malaz wrote:DeadLine wrote:Your HS university course is actually not a real university course. It's called a university course because it's a prereq to real university courses. Essentially, the HS universitylevel course is a course you need to prepare you for next year's course(s) (at least it is what admissions look for, anyway).
If you can't enroll in yours, then what I would do is to first ask the admissions ppl whether they can give you an exception (explain your situation) when you apply next year. If they turn you down, then find other ways to get that credit (private school, online, etc).
Good luck! It is actually a university course administered by the University of Manitobait is called MAT1500 and we are required to write the midterm and final ... and if you succeed you get 3 credit hours (whatever those are) ... since I am interested in U of TI am just going for the high school credit. Which is completely fine by me. Thank you ALL guys for the helpful commentsI figured out that I could possibly concurrently take Precalculus 40s and the Intro to Calculus/advanced math course ... this summer I will prepare for precala family friend is a math teacher, and she is extremely smart (since she studied math in university) so she's going to help me and that would help me tackle both Precal and Calculus at the same time come September. And I definitely, IF I get accepted into u of t, don't want to go into physics and chemistry class and be like "I don't understand this" if I only had a precal background. So I want to prepare as much as possible. lemun wrote:Actually it is not needed, it is recommended . In reality you could just write the AP Exam and not take the course (like I did) and they still wouldn't care. Although i chose UBC instead when I found out they aren't going to let people skip their 1styear calculus There is no AP Exam, there is a midterm and a final that we have to write since it is a first year university intro to calculus course, I take these tests at the University. Also for the people that said that my PreCal course doesn't cover all the stuff that the Ontario curriculum covers, what's missing? I am extremely curious. Responding to your last question, the PreCal course isn't the same as the cal in Ontario...I may be wrong... But as I recall, these were in my cal book; (I don't remember the exact name of each chapter but it had these) Limits (Discontinuity, differentiable, slopes of tangents and secants) Graphing functions with local max/min/discontinuity/ asymptotes etc Optimization Derivatives (Power rules, Quotient rules, implicit etc) Log, ln, exponent derivatives Vectors additions, subtraction Some vector optimization (Max speeds etc) Vectors with work, torque, force etc Cross and dot product Integrals (Depending on schools) I think Im missing some... Anyways, if PreCal does not cover these, then you should take the university course during the summer or something. Also, I had the same goal as you during my final year. I applied and got admitted to UTSG life science. For sure, they will look at your Calculus and English mark intensively, so focus on those and your science courses. Anything with 85% should get you in the life science program at UofT. As for other life science programs in other universities, you'll be fine with an 80% (cept Queens, Mcgills, Mac health sci). Well, best of luck to you!!


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malaz wrote:DeadLine wrote:Your HS university course is actually not a real university course. It's called a university course because it's a prereq to real university courses. Essentially, the HS universitylevel course is a course you need to prepare you for next year's course(s) (at least it is what admissions look for, anyway).
If you can't enroll in yours, then what I would do is to first ask the admissions ppl whether they can give you an exception (explain your situation) when you apply next year. If they turn you down, then find other ways to get that credit (private school, online, etc).
Good luck! It is actually a university course administered by the University of Manitobait is called MAT1500 and we are required to write the midterm and final ... and if you succeed you get 3 credit hours (whatever those are) ... since I am interested in U of TI am just going for the high school credit. Which is completely fine by me. oooooooooh i see. sry, i thought (for some reason) that you lived in ontario >< UTSG LIFE SCIENCE 2014 I will quit at the turn of the millenium.


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malaz wrote:DeadLine wrote:Your HS university course is actually not a real university course. It's called a university course because it's a prereq to real university courses. Essentially, the HS universitylevel course is a course you need to prepare you for next year's course(s) (at least it is what admissions look for, anyway).
If you can't enroll in yours, then what I would do is to first ask the admissions ppl whether they can give you an exception (explain your situation) when you apply next year. If they turn you down, then find other ways to get that credit (private school, online, etc).
Good luck! It is actually a university course administered by the University of Manitobait is called MAT1500 and we are required to write the midterm and final ... and if you succeed you get 3 credit hours (whatever those are) ... since I am interested in U of TI am just going for the high school credit. Which is completely fine by me. Thank you ALL guys for the helpful commentsI figured out that I could possibly concurrently take Precalculus 40s and the Intro to Calculus/advanced math course ... this summer I will prepare for precala family friend is a math teacher, and she is extremely smart (since she studied math in university) so she's going to help me and that would help me tackle both Precal and Calculus at the same time come September. And I definitely, IF I get accepted into u of t, don't want to go into physics and chemistry class and be like "I don't understand this" if I only had a precal background. So I want to prepare as much as possible. lemun wrote:Actually it is not needed, it is recommended . In reality you could just write the AP Exam and not take the course (like I did) and they still wouldn't care. Although i chose UBC instead when I found out they aren't going to let people skip their 1styear calculus There is no AP Exam, there is a midterm and a final that we have to write since it is a first year university intro to calculus course, I take these tests at the University. Also for the people that said that my PreCal course doesn't cover all the stuff that the Ontario curriculum covers, what's missing? I am extremely curious. There is an AP calc exam 2 actually. Anyone can write it , even if you don't take an AP calc course http://www.collegeboard.com/student/testing/ap/about_faq.html Refer to "Can I take the AP Examination if I haven't taken an AP course?"
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Toronto12 wrote: Responding to your last question, the PreCal course isn't the same as the cal in Ontario...I may be wrong... But as I recall, these were in my cal book; (I don't remember the exact name of each chapter but it had these) Limits (Discontinuity, differentiable, slopes of tangents and secants) Graphing functions with local max/min/discontinuity/ asymptotes etc Optimization Derivatives (Power rules, Quotient rules, implicit etc) Log, ln, exponent derivatives Vectors additions, subtraction Some vector optimization (Max speeds etc) Vectors with work, torque, force etc Cross and dot product Integrals (Depending on schools) I think Im missing some...
Anyways, if PreCal does not cover these, then you should take the university course during the summer or something. Also, I had the same goal as you during my final year. I applied and got admitted to UTSG life science. For sure, they will look at your Calculus and English mark intensively, so focus on those and your science courses. Anything with 85% should get you in the life science program at UofT. As for other life science programs in other universities, you'll be fine with an 80% (cept Queens, Mcgills, Mac health sci). Well, best of luck to you!!
Here is the syllabus for Intro to Calculus: 1. Functions and Models1.1 Four ways to Represent a Function 1.2 Mathematical Models: A Catalog of Essential Functions 1.3 New Functions from Old Functions 1.4 Graphing Calculators and Computers 1.5 Exponential Functions 1.6 Inverse Functions and Logarithms 2. Limits and Derivatives2.1 The Tangent and Velocity Problems 2.2 The Limit of a Function 2.3 Calculating Limits Using the Limit Laws 2.4 [[The Precise Definition of a Limit]] 2.5 Continuity 2.6 Limits at Infinity; Horizontal Asymptotes 2.7 Derivatives and Rates of Change 2.8 The Derivative as a Function 3. Differentiation Rules3.1 Derivatives of Polynomials and Exponential Functions 3.2 The Product and Quotient Rules 3.3 Derivatives of Trigonometric Functions 3.4 The Chain Rule 3.5 Implicit Differentiation 3.6 Derivatives of Logarithmic Functions 3.7 Rates of Change in the Natural [[and Social Sciences]] 3.8 Exponential Growth and Decay 3.9 Related Rates 3.10 Linear Approximations and Differentials [[3.11 Hyperbolic Functions]] 4. Applications of Differentiation4.1 Maximum and Minimum Values 4.2 The Mean Value Theorem 4.3 How Derivatives Affect the Shape of a Graph 4.4 Indeterminate Forms and L'Hopital's Rule 4.5 Summary of Curve Sketching 4.6 Graphing with Calculus and Calculators 4.7 Optimization Problems 4.8 [Newton's Method] 4.9 [[Antiderivatives]] Is this equivalent to Calculus and Vectors? Also don't you need at least a 90% to get into Life Sciences St. George (that's where I want to go)?? Or is it lower? I also looked at U of T's first year Calculus course and it is awfully similar to this Intro to Calculus course I will be taking?? ___ I was talking about the Intro to Calculus course my school offers, since it is not an AP course there is no AP exam. Although thank you very much for informing me about the AP exam that I could take. It could serve as a second option if I can't take Calculus and PreCalculus at the same time.


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Toronto12 wrote:malaz wrote:DeadLine wrote:Your HS university course is actually not a real university course. It's called a university course because it's a prereq to real university courses. Essentially, the HS universitylevel course is a course you need to prepare you for next year's course(s) (at least it is what admissions look for, anyway).
If you can't enroll in yours, then what I would do is to first ask the admissions ppl whether they can give you an exception (explain your situation) when you apply next year. If they turn you down, then find other ways to get that credit (private school, online, etc).
Good luck! It is actually a university course administered by the University of Manitobait is called MAT1500 and we are required to write the midterm and final ... and if you succeed you get 3 credit hours (whatever those are) ... since I am interested in U of TI am just going for the high school credit. Which is completely fine by me. Thank you ALL guys for the helpful commentsI figured out that I could possibly concurrently take Precalculus 40s and the Intro to Calculus/advanced math course ... this summer I will prepare for precala family friend is a math teacher, and she is extremely smart (since she studied math in university) so she's going to help me and that would help me tackle both Precal and Calculus at the same time come September. And I definitely, IF I get accepted into u of t, don't want to go into physics and chemistry class and be like "I don't understand this" if I only had a precal background. So I want to prepare as much as possible. lemun wrote:Actually it is not needed, it is recommended . In reality you could just write the AP Exam and not take the course (like I did) and they still wouldn't care. Although i chose UBC instead when I found out they aren't going to let people skip their 1styear calculus There is no AP Exam, there is a midterm and a final that we have to write since it is a first year university intro to calculus course, I take these tests at the University. Also for the people that said that my PreCal course doesn't cover all the stuff that the Ontario curriculum covers, what's missing? I am extremely curious. Responding to your last question, the PreCal course isn't the same as the cal in Ontario...I may be wrong... But as I recall, these were in my cal book; (I don't remember the exact name of each chapter but it had these) Limits (Discontinuity, differentiable, slopes of tangents and secants) Graphing functions with local max/min/discontinuity/ asymptotes etc Optimization Derivatives (Power rules, Quotient rules, implicit etc) Log, ln, exponent derivatives Vectors additions, subtraction Some vector optimization (Max speeds etc) Vectors with work, torque, force etc Cross and dot product Integrals (Depending on schools) I think Im missing some... Anyways, if PreCal does not cover these, then you should take the university course during the summer or something. Also, I had the same goal as you during my final year. I applied and got admitted to UTSG life science. For sure, they will look at your Calculus and English mark intensively, so focus on those and your science courses. Anything with 85% should get you in the life science program at UofT. As for other life science programs in other universities, you'll be fine with an 80% (cept Queens, Mcgills, Mac health sci). Well, best of luck to you!! there's also vector equations, planes, intersection of lines, intersection of planes, gaussjordan elimination, distance from a point to plane, distance from a point to a line, and projections
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