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Hi, I am a high school student and I was offered admission into University of British Columbia, Okangan for Management, University of Toronto, Mississauga for commerce and Simon Fraser University for Business administration. I was hoping that someone can provide me with some opinions on which I should chose by considering factors such as reputation, location, quality of education, job prospects in canada and outside of canada and so on. I was also wondering about whether or not the difference of not being on the main campus of toronto and UBC will affect the recognition of my degree in any way? And if so, does any one know whether or not it is possible to transfer in my second year? My area of interest would be commerce but I'm still unsure.
I am really Interested to go to U of T however, from what I have read the Mississauga campuses B.COM is totally different from the main campus and sucks, plus there are too many students in U of T and the grading system and student life is horrible. My application to UBC vancouver's commerce program is still pending so I guess I would have to settle with these options first...what do you guys think?
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UTM has a huge asian student percentage ( at least like 80%), So I'm sure thats a pro.
If you graduate from any UofT campus, your degree will be the exact same as someone in a different campus. UofT has a way better rep than SFU or UBC. Large amounts of students means it's really easy to make friends and feel included, (especially if you're an international student).
Also, UTM has some incredible gym facilities etc..
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Well, to me, I am going to Canada NOT to mix only with asians so the large asian population doesn't appeal to me. Furthermore, I have been told of the difference between the Rotman commerce and commerce in Mississauga where the Mississauga ones gets looked down upon on somewhat. UBC has a great environment and its size is not as huge as U of T which is a plus because the enormous amount of students not only contribute to competition but also the attention of professors are not focused therefore contributing to the lower quality of education...no? UBC has a pretty good reputation as well considering its international rankings and all. I am not too sure about UTM having great gym facilities having any appeal to me but thanks!
But you're from St.George campus right? What do you think are the chances of transferring from MS to SG? Sorry for the trouble.
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Joined: 4/19/2008 Posts: 69 Location: Canada
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charsiew wrote:Hi, I am a high school student and I was offered admission into University of British Columbia, Okangan for Management, University of Toronto, Mississauga for commerce and Simon Fraser University for Business administration. I was hoping that someone can provide me with some opinions on which I should chose by considering factors such as reputation, location, quality of education, job prospects in canada and outside of canada and so on. I was also wondering about whether or not the difference of not being on the main campus of toronto and UBC will affect the recognition of my degree in any way? And if so, does any one know whether or not it is possible to transfer in my second year? My area of interest would be commerce but I'm still unsure.
I am really Interested to go to U of T however, from what I have read the Mississauga campuses B.COM is totally different from the main campus and sucks, plus there are too many students in U of T and the grading system and student life is horrible. My application to UBC vancouver's commerce program is still pending so I guess I would have to settle with these options first...what do you guys think? Hi, Simon Fraser is good but it is not as well reputed at ubc and u of t. if you graduate from ubc, you are basically considered for all the commerce related jobs because ubc is a really good university. location-ubc is basically in vancouver and it's campus is much bigger than sfu and it is a great campus and people are really nice and the campus is beautiful. Student life at ubc is really great until you can set priorities and balance your schedule and you get to go to whistler and stuff for a much discounted price. Graduating from the main campus or the branches should only affecting the recognition of your degree if the admission averages required were different. Keep in mind that are there are differences in profs between two campuses of the same university, so think before you decide. There are great gym facilities, work opportunities on campus at great rates etc. if you need a greater detail, pm me To me, it seems like ubc is a better option in your case because you didn't get accepted to the main campus of u of t. UBC Bachelor of Sciences in Fall 2008
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So going to UBCO is better than going to UTM? So that means I should go for a management degree instead of commerce? The problem is I have a stronger interest in doing some economics compared to doing management...
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charsiew wrote:So going to UBCO is better than going to UTM? So that means I should go for a management degree instead of commerce? The problem is I have a stronger interest in doing some economics compared to doing management... I am not saying that is better. Since you live outside Canada, you probably are not familiar with any of the campuses. Just choose whichever ne you feel comfortable with. I don't know what your interests are. But I am pretty sure that since you are not offered admission to UBC VAncouver, you can complete one year at UBC oknagon and then transfer to vancouver. But you can email the admissions and ask them your questions or email the faculty people. UBC Bachelor of Sciences in Fall 2008
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Hmmm, I guess I could however, I think it is as difficult to apply from another university, Does anyone have any idea whether or not these universities have different subjects or the same like....let's say economics 101 is available at UBC and not UofT? because if one of the subjects are pre-requisites to apply to the b.com then I would not be eligible if I go to a different university right? I got an offer for Wilfrid Laurier BBA honours today, anyone have any opinions on that?
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Joined: 4/19/2008 Posts: 69 Location: Canada
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charsiew wrote:Hmmm, I guess I could however, I think it is as difficult to apply from another university, Does anyone have any idea whether or not these universities have different subjects or the same like....let's say economics 101 is available at UBC and not UofT? because if one of the subjects are pre-requisites to apply to the b.com then I would not be eligible if I go to a different university right? I got an offer for Wilfrid Laurier BBA honours today, anyone have any opinions on that? google course transfer guide and that way you can see if the course is equivalent or not. a good website to go to is http://www.edu.gov.nf.ca/council/trans98.htmAgain, if you are still confused, I would definitely recommend emailing the admission or faculty head or something. UBC Bachelor of Sciences in Fall 2008
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I'm not in business, so I can't talk about that, but just to let you know, UBCO is NOT in Vancouver--it is in Kelowna, which is waaay smaller. The campus itself is pretty isolated, and fairly far from shopping centres. And it's also a TINY campus--only 4000 students. Also, and I don't know if this is true, but the reputation, from what I've heard, isn't that great. Generally, UBC and SFU students look down on UBCO students as "They weren't smart enough to get into UBC or SFU". However, you do have the option of transferring to UBC after your first year. Anyways, just some info that you may want to think about!
P.S. Again, I'm not in business, but I've heard that SFU's Business program has a great reputation--don't know if it's substantiated or not though...
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Joined: 5/25/2008 Posts: 38 Location: Greater Vancouver, BC, Canada
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Hi, I'm a resident of BC, living in the suburb of Vancouver called Burnaby. I have lived in Canada for about 9 years now, Grade 11 at the moment, and I live just a 5 minute drive from SFU.
Here's the current scoop on things: UBC has way more students then SFU. UBC is extremely populated by Asians, very much so that it's sometimes remarked as "University of a Billion Chinese" (way over 48 000 students, and a huge majority are Asians.) It is a general consensus around here that UBC is more science-oriented than SFU, and has a medical school, which SFU doesn't have. That said, SFU is more renowned for its Liberal Arts programs, and despite its small size, has the fourth best Engineering Department of Canada, ranked even higher than UBC.
As for the campus, UBC is freaking huge. I've gotten lost there at night at Debate. And since it's located at the west of Vancouver, the main urban city of BC, you can also be sure you'll never run out of things to do and play (remember, it's big, both Vancouver and UBC.) SFU is middle sized, in Burnaby, and the special thing about SFU is that all of its buildings are linked together, so you'll never get wet when it rains as you go from class to class, which isn't possible in UBC. And despite people's bias that UBC is more beautiful as it's beside the ocean, I have to disagree. SFU is located on a mountain, with a winding trail down its path, so the view's beautiful up there too,with a water scenery too. In winter, rarely when it snows too hard, SFU will have to close down for safety reasons as the bus can't climb up the inclination in the snow; UBC will still continue as it's not high there; so think about that and how it'll impact your schedule. SFU and UBC both look somewhat aged, and people say that the uncolored cement buildings of SFU looks like a prison, I personally don't mind, as the natural wildlife scenery makes up for that. UBC has its share of cracked concrete buildings, stained white walls, broken chairs, and ripped books.
There are also some people who say that UBC is very competitive (due to high-achieving Asians), and for that it'll depend. I'm not sure if UBC does this, but for SFU, it works at a percentage rate (So, something like the lowest 10% of the people must be failed, where even though they had 90%, they're still in the bottom 10% of the 99%'s; but I can't remember if its SFU-specific or if it applies to only a program or course, etc. Take it with a dose of salt for now, I'll have to check it.)
Since SFU is much smaller, there'll be a more closer fostering of teachers and students. In UBC, there's more student to teacher ratio, and thus personal attention won't always be given. That said, UBC is "older", which means it'll have a bigger library, also ripped books and resources, and more "prestige" internationally. Speaking of which, an undergraduate degree is an undergraduate degree, no matter where you got it from. Both SFU and UBC are accredited Universities, so both are taught the same standards.
All in all, ask yourself: can you survive the urban metropolitan situation of UBC? Will you feel isolated in the sea of people? Or do you prefer more personal attention of SFU? It all depends. For me, if I'd have to choose, I'd go SFU, as I live right by the foot of its mountain, and I'm likely to go for Engineering. Financially, geologically, it makes sense for me. But is it for you?
*BTW, I know I didn't go into UT; I'm too biased against it. I've heard of some really scary stuff about it (degree factory, student machine, blah.) Despite that pretty much every school to the East/Central Canada is "more renowned", I don't think the special little bit of "prestige" of UT from certain individual's opinions will make up for what I want in terms of chances of competition, attention, etc.
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Joined: 7/21/2008 Posts: 2 Location: BC
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<personal_opinion> I've lived in Vancouver for most of my life and I must say that I would not leave Beautiful BC for school unless there was a huge difference in the quality of education and overall experience--which I don't believe is the case in this situation. </personal_opinion>
Within BC I would be quite glad to have the options between UBC Commerce and SFU Business. To determine which school fits my personal/academic/career goals I would then analyze my decision criteria. Luckily, both schools are quite substitutable overall in the quality of education--both having numerous business school accreditations and many successful alumni to personally vouch for the educational value within each program.
Charsiew: You mention that you are unsure of your area of interest. Something to keep in mind is that SFU Business has many unique opportunities for Joint Honours/Major/Minor Programs (with: Economics, Computing Science, Psychology, Geography, Molecular Biology & Biochemistry, English, Interactive Arts & Technology, Latin American Development Studies, and Communication). Having this specialized degree allows for a more wide, adaptable, and unique approach to solving business problems and viewing the world--something employers may find of value. Unfortunately I can only speak on behalf of SFU Business for this matter, I don't know to what extent this is available in UBC and U of T.
SFU vs. UBC
Reputation: UBC currently has more prestige attached with the name, but SFU Business is rapidly increasing due to a focus on international experiences (field school/international exchange/international co-op) and strong performance in Case Competitions (CaseIT, JDC West, etc.).
Quality of Education: Everyone I have spoken to has said that both degrees are very similar in quality of education
Job Prospects in Canada: For students that actively seek opportunities and self-enrichment activities within the school (involvement in student clubs/organizations, co-op, international exchange, case competitions, etc.) attaining great jobs will not be a problem.
Job Prospects Outside of Canada: With the international focus of both schools, it is likely that international job prospects will continue to grow in the future.
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as a resident of mississauga, i'd say go with ubc or simon fraiser unless you have a car. the mississauga transit system will kill you, especially in the winter. and bus fares are high, busses are in okay condition, but the services aren't very frequent for some of the less major routes, and stop running very early.. though the student parking at utm is a biatch too... oh, they finally started calling out major intersections and stops along popular routes though! ...sometimes.... with the asian thing though, ubc does have a very high asian population too, though i find that at ubc, people segregated themselves into their ethnic groups even more so than in mississauga. oh, and utsg people (from mississauga) make fun of utm. no worries though, in all honesty, you'll get the same degree in the end, and you'll be int he same class as a few of my good friends In terms of campus, I've visited ubc and utm. Utm does have some very nicely renovated buildings, but it is still somewhat small. There is plenty of student housing, and houses for rent and stuff though. Ubc is HUGE, or so it seemed. the buildings are alot more spread apart, but teh weather is much milder and the scenery is really nice so it evens out. If you like hte outdoors, i'd definitely recommend bc over ontario any day. I'm asuming you're talking about the vancouver campus btw, instead of the okanagan one... However, finding affordable and relatively convenient housing is a nightmare from what i heard from the students there, though the majority of the residences at ubc is reserved for upper years. in terms of prestige outside of canada, ubc is very famous for its commerce program and is held in very high regard, and so is the u of t rotman program. sf is very good too for inside canada, but if you are working elsewhere, i doubt they'll get the difference.
"My parents live in Ohio; I live in the moment." -himym.
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Spherical wrote: There are also some people who say that UBC is very competitive (due to high-achieving Asians), and for that it'll depend. I'm not sure if UBC does this, but for SFU, it works at a percentage rate (So, something like the lowest 10% of the people must be failed, where even though they had 90%, they're still in the bottom 10% of the 99%'s; but I can't remember if its SFU-specific or if it applies to only a program or course, etc. Take it with a dose of salt for now, I'll have to check it.)
Almost every university does it like that - it's called the curve. However the curve helps you in almost every case (a 70% can become an A if the class average is something like 40%). The class average will never be 90% and the people who fail almost always deserve to fail and would have failed anyways in a non-curved system.
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I know that this is an older thread. But as someone who has experienced the business program at SFU, I have to tell you - it's what you make of your degree that counts.
Employers are looking beyond a degree. They look for CO-OP experience aka real work experience. International exchange shows an ability to adapt in a global market. And being willing to be a part of business groups and taking part in business case competitions. A decent GPA from a generally reputable university is only a step into the door. If the only thing you offer after your degree is a nice piece of paper and new suit but little experience, you are not going to make the cut.
If I were you, I would choose the university that you believe will give you the most options to explore outside of the textbooks. And thus make you stand out. BTW, if you are going to stay in BC after your degree, it may be better to make business networking via the local university than to come home after 4 years, and try to catch up with all those recent grads who have the local advantage.
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Quote:I know that this is an older thread. But as someone who has experienced the business program at SFU, I have to tell you - it's what you make of your degree that counts Thats a fact to everything in life. Everyone lives thier life, but it's what you make of your life that counts. Don't worry about going to a "prestigious(sp?)" university, or a "tough" university, just close your eyes and go where your mind wants you to. It will all be the same 20 years from now.
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UofT2011 wrote:Quote:I know that this is an older thread. But as someone who has experienced the business program at SFU, I have to tell you - it's what you make of your degree that counts Thats a fact to everything in life. Everyone lives thier life, but it's what you make of your life that counts. Don't worry about going to a "prestigious(sp?)" university, or a "tough" university, just close your eyes and go where your mind wants you to. It will all be the same 20 years from now. That's exactly how I feel. A lot of people place way too much emphasis on the prestige of a school, when it's really what you make of your degree that matters.
University of Alberta - Mechanical Engineering '11
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SFU.
UTM isn't as great as UTSG.
UBCO lacks experience.
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