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mynameismattgotmlgo wrote:MMac90 wrote:This is actually a really scary conversation to tell the truth...
Even the word eugenics is not good... Hah. I say that jokingly. But yeah, I agree with the above poster: intelligent people certainly aren't inherently better than non-intelligent people. If anything, intelligent people have created a lot of the evil in our world (just look at the historical supporters of eugenics). Idiots don't have the ability to commit genocide. That's why all of the famous "evil" people in the world have all been very intelligent.
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ppl relax love life n live it to da fullest forget about all that hilbilly stuff there are way more imporatnt things happening dat need out attention like all these msscares and genocides and stupid wars bout oil
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When you think about it though, everyone has done something extremely stupid in their lives. Technically we are all idiots at some point. Besides, have you heard of the Darwin Awards? They are given to people who help the human race by removing themselves from the gene pool. In other words, they die really stupid deaths doing really stupid things. It's just a matter of choice whether or not someone does something idiotic.
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stephaniesmith923 wrote:When you think about it though, everyone has done something extremely stupid in their lives. Technically we are all idiots at some point. Besides, have you heard of the Darwin Awards? They are given to people who help the human race by removing themselves from the gene pool. In other words, they die really stupid deaths doing really stupid things. It's just a matter of choice whether or not someone does something idiotic. The problem that natural selection is facing now is that we are doing a better and better job of protecting people who are stupid.
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It doesn't matter what conditions exist in the world, it will always be filled with idiots who make wrong decisions over and over again or who don't apply proper knowledge to things. It's not at all practical to say that the world is going to fail because of idiots -- the world will fail due to the actions of everyone making improper decisions about issues that will effect us all in the long run.
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Hey, ya all the idiots in my school are applying for humanities. Science is where it's at
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Treefrog wrote:Hey, ya all the idiots in my school are applying for humanities. Science is where it's at Its pretty much the opposite here all my friends are science geeks and math nerds and........... OH PLEASE Arts is soooooooo much better  YORK; Honors Arts - History Major/German minor? '12
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Who thinks that idiots should be locked in the zoo or circus and do all the stupid things they do? I'd bet Hitler would do that LOL
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I agree that everyone has done something dumb in the past. But I guess idiots are the ones that never learn from their mistakes...and keep repeating it over and over again...
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Sometimes it doesn't matter about where the person family comes from Also, considering that the majority of people are coming from Asia now, from what I've seen at least: Asians are smart. This hill billy thing, not true, besides the world needs help. We shouldn't spend time worrying about things that are just blah. Global warming for example, if it happens there will be no intellectuals nor idiots. Hmm..
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Stringer wrote:stephaniesmith923 wrote:When you think about it though, everyone has done something extremely stupid in their lives. Technically we are all idiots at some point. Besides, have you heard of the Darwin Awards? They are given to people who help the human race by removing themselves from the gene pool. In other words, they die really stupid deaths doing really stupid things. It's just a matter of choice whether or not someone does something idiotic. The problem that natural selection is facing now is that we are doing a better and better job of protecting people who are stupid. You sound as if its a good idea to "elimate" people if they are not smart enough as if they are not worthy to live who are you to say that natural selection is a load OF CRAP since we came so far in out technology we should let all people live their life and its not up to people trying to be god that is really sad taht u see life like dat hitler thought the same way u knoe
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alliyah2090 wrote:Stringer wrote:stephaniesmith923 wrote:When you think about it though, everyone has done something extremely stupid in their lives. Technically we are all idiots at some point. Besides, have you heard of the Darwin Awards? They are given to people who help the human race by removing themselves from the gene pool. In other words, they die really stupid deaths doing really stupid things. It's just a matter of choice whether or not someone does something idiotic. The problem that natural selection is facing now is that we are doing a better and better job of protecting people who are stupid. You sound as if its a good idea to "elimate" people if they are not smart enough as if they are not worthy to live who are you to say that natural selection is a load OF CRAP since we came so far in out technology we should let all people live their life and its not up to people trying to be god that is really sad taht u see life like dat hitler thought the same way u knoe What are you talking about? I simply said that an idiocracy is becoming more likely because natural selection is failing nowadays. I never said anything about "eliminating" people. Natural selection is not a load of crap, it is a fact of life (or used to be). It's the basis of evolution. Hitler had nothing to do with natural selection. He attempted to genocide a few different groups of people. That is not natural selection.
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Ignorance is what keeps the ruling elite in power. Making sure the general populace is content with following the latest gossip, buying the latest fashionable crap and subscribing to consumerism when there is peace and using nationalism to control the crowds when there is war. That's just the basics of 'controlling a large amount of people 101'. Our excuse of a society needs a large amount of ignorant citizens to function
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well, actually, ignorance and stupidity do not go hand in hand. There are a lot of ignorant smart people out there, and a lot of stupid and well aware people too
you'll always have idiots if you keep changing what is considered smart.
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If you want to read a good book about how human's are dumb.. and how we are going to end up being the end of the world.. you should consider reading This Other Eden by Ben Elton. It'll make you laugh and realise how screwed we really are.
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Seeing this topic, how could I resist adding one of my favourite Einstein quotes?
“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe.”
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MMac90 wrote:Even the word eugenics is not good... eugenics is an emotionally charged word associated with all the wrong events in history. Hitler's "eugenics" program was a fiction, his way of creating some validation for his arbitrary persecution of various groups of people. I think the much bigger issue here is whether the whole idea is true. are two people who could be considered idiots actually going to have "idiot" babies? Is intelligence hereditary? don't just say yes because "i know this guy with a dumb mom and dad and he's an idiot so yeah" because that's only one example. I have yet to see an actual scientific study done on the matter.
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I believe that the living environment has a much bigger impact on intelligence than heredity. I cannot substantiate it, but I think intelligence is "10% nature and 90% nurture".
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^^ You or an institution that you belong to need to (if you already have been given a university e-mail and password, you might be granted access) have a subscription to science journals to read the actual studies done to find the correlation between heredity and intelligence. Seeing as that won't be so easy for you, check out this: http://online.sfsu.edu/~psych200/unit7/76.htm. Look for the chart about a fifth of the way down. Essentially what it is saying is that there is a correlation of 0.63 (1.00 being the max, 0 being random) between the intelligence of fraternal twins (twins in that they are carried at the same time, but they are related to one another in the way that non-twin siblings are related to one another) and a correlation of 0.88 (a VERY strong correlation) between identical twins (100% genetically related). Studying twins "reared together" involves making the assumption that both the identical and fraternal twins share a very similar environment. The deduction from there is that the difference between the two correlations must be due to genetic differences, not environmental differences. Although the assumption is flawed (e.g. identical twins are always of the same sex, obviously, but fraternal twins can be of the opposite sex... so maybe the difference between the intelligence of two opposite sex fraternal twins is due to the fact that they are of the opposite sex and are, therefore, raised differently), the difference is too strong to be reasonably explained by subtle differences in the environment. However, you can also see that identical twins reared apart are not as closely correlated as identical twins reared together, so the environment also plays a role. Perhaps the most compelling evidence is the correlation of 0.77 for identical twins reared apart. This means that identical twins are highly similar in intelligence even when they are raised by different parents. Of course, even that correlation is flawed: even though they are raised by different parents, most twins "separated at birth" are still raised in similar environments (it is usually not the case that one will stick around in an upper-middle-class family in Canada while the other heads off to some poor family in Ethiopia). Do not try to interpret the correlations beyond that. e.g. a correlation of 0.88 does not mean that if you have identical twins reared together that there will be an 88% chance of them being of equal intelligence. ^ The OLD nature-nurture debate. Classic. "Nurture" acts on "nature." Asking how much of a characteristic is attributable to nature and how much is attributable to nurture is like asking if the material of a building is more important in that building being a complete structure than the builders.
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Don't you just have those days when everyone seems dumber than you. I definately have the "I hate people days", but I don't think that intelligence is necessarily a genetic trait. Although the intelligence of the parents may have an effect on how their kids turn out, that could just be environnmental factors. I don't understand how this could be demonstrative of the laws of natural selection. Care to explain the logic behind that statement?
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