I have tried to search for threads on BMOS but none of them are long enough and none of then answer my specific question.

My question is:

out of the IVEY's AEO students that are in BMOS, how many of them are able to maintain 80% average and move on to IVEY?
I am not talking about ones that are giving up AEO because they want to, i want to know how many people LOSE their status.
Because i am still thinking of going to Ivey, except that the 80% thing is scaring me.
So how many (or what percent) are able to keep AEO?

hey dixm655,
seeing that you are ivey'12 you must be in gr12 like me
I was wondering what made you decide to go to ivey because
it is a LOT of money put intoschooling and I thought it was too expensive.
are you in BMOS for the 1st 2 years??

i've also decided to go to ivey, the main reason i decided to go is that i figured that the cost isn't much in the grand scheme of things, i wont remember the 20-30 thousand extra in the future but i WOULD remember not going to my top choice

i guess in my head it jsut seems like an ivey degree is worth it

Hey,

I am not sure on the exact numbers, but I can assure you that most AEOs (out of BMOS) can easily maintain their status. I assume you are looking at BMOS, specialization in finance and admin? This is the module most BMOS students take. I can give you a break down of each class and give you my perspective of the "challenging courses." Remember that each student has strengths and weaknesses in different area and that your experience will be different.

Business 020: Very fun and interactive class. All tests and reports are conducted using Ivey written cases. You will be given plenty of practice in class, usually completing a case every 2-3 classes per unit. Each practice case is a past exam. Your mark in this class will be based on your participation and 5 unit assignments. The 5 units are finance (you will be at a great advantage if you took gr. 11 or 12 accounting. This assignment is a 4 hour in class exam), marketing (take home report), operations (3 or 4 hour in class exam), organizational behaviour (group report), and general management (in class exam). If you come to class prepared and complete all practice cases, the in class exams will be a breeze. If you complete the take-home reports before the last minute, you'll do just fine.

Economics 020: First semester micro, second semester macro. Two midterms each semester, and a final each semester. Depending on your prof. (try to get Gilmore or Parkin-> he wrote the text book) you will have the opportunity to receive easy marks (15-20% of your final course mark) through short online tests and in class clicker questions. Practice unit problems through study guide and online program called My Econ Lab (supplied with text book), as well as past exams, and you'll ace the exams. Most problems are reused from an exam bank. The My Econ Lab questions are very similar to the exam questions. Practice, practice, practice, and you'll do fine.

Math Credit-> Calculus 050a and Calculus 051b or Calculus 081b: First half of Calculus 050a is exactly the same as high school (I got 98%!). Second half is an introduction to integral calculus. If you did well or enjoyed high school calculus, I suggest taking this course. There is no application questions and past exams are provided and are identical to the midterm and final. Calculus 081b and 051b I can not comment on since I didn't take either. They are more challenging I hear, and usually students' marks decrease. If you enjoy Calculus though, go for it. If you attend class and study, you will do well. If you must take either of these classes, try to get Carrol Jones. She rocks!

Linear Algebra 040a/b: Do not take this class unless your are mathematically inclined. It isn't necessarily difficult, but the concepts are a bit more abstract. The first think my prof. said on the first day of class was: "If you're just taking this to fulfill a math credit, take Calculus 051. You must attend class and labs (worth 10% of final mark). If not, you will suffer. I do enjoy math though, and I did like this class.

Methods of Matrix Algebra 1229a/b: New course. Watered down version of Linear Algebra 040a/b. Intended for social science students, or those who need to fulfill a math credit but don't enjoy math. This half course replaced half of the former Math 031. My friend who hates math got 97% as a final grade in Math 031. The other half of Math 031 is Math 028a/b, finite mathematics. These two courses are similar to high school Data Management. Combinatorics, permutations, simple matrix algebra, simple probability, etc.

Computer Science 032a/b: There is no excuse for a getting a grade below 80%, period! You learn Microsoft Office applications (word, excel, access, and powerpoint, as well as basic HTML, XML (not hard but attend class for sure during the two weeks that you learn this subject, since it is probably brand new). You also learn about information system (I'm sure they're important, but as far as I'm concerned it's bullpoop) and basic aspects of computer hardware, networking, internet, etc. I AM NOT GOOD WITH COMPUTERS. I HAVE A MAC. I GOT 92%. Assignments include making simple spreadsheets, pamphlets in word, HTMl and XML code, and the tricky database in Access. These will account for 35% of your mark. YOU SHOULD EASILY ACHIEVE 33-35 OF THESE MARKS. Exams are multiple choice with a practical component. Do the readings (they are very short) and quickly review bolded terms in the text book before the exam and you are good to go. The practical portion of this exam is kind of poopy. They make you write out HTML, XML, and Excel coding. However, you are given practice questions in review classes. Do them and you're good to go. Warning: If you have a Mac, you will be spending time in the library for the Access unit, since Office for Mac (as far as I know) doesn't have this application. There are limited number of computers in the library that have Microsoft Office on them, so don't wait until the last minute to do the Access assignments.

MOS 020: Class on globalization. I'm not going to lie, it is boring. Attend class. Last year there was an attendance problem, and the prof. started taking attendance. He purposely made the exam to screw those who missed class. Try to be open minded about this class. Don't worry though. Your lower mark in this class will balance nicely with Comp Sci.

Essay Course: Take something you are genuinely interested in. I know people who took Geography because they perceived it as easy. They didn't do so well though. I took a History class called totalitarianism (only offered at Kings) and it was my favourite class. I will tell you, from hearsay, that Sociology had a really poopy prof who locked the doors at the beginning of class, and that 1st semester Poli Sci was absolutely killer. Political theory and a really hard exam, so I was told.

My marks:

Business 020: 83%
Econ 020: 84%
Calculus 050a: 92%
Linear Algebra 040b: 78%
Computer Science 032a: 92%
MOS 020b: 72% (I missed some class)
History 31E: 83%

Relax, study, and party hard. Three keys to success.

Good luck, and hope to see you next year.

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Ivey HBA 2011

Hey PinballClemens,
thank you SO much for your post, You dont know how much it made me feel like i could do IVEY.
And fatman - i am also in IB and i took HL english bio and chem and believe i can get courses for that.

Can i use them as my electives?
english bio and chem HL IB courses i mean. I know ill have over 5

what about SL courses?

Hey PinballClemens,

Thanks for the very detailed response. =)

You suggest not to take certain courses ( like on the math ones ) If we're in the MOS (finance) program, aren't all the courses you listed mandatory? Also, how do the time tables work in general? Do we take all these courses all at once for the whole year?

And for the computer course, did u find it challenging to do assignments/practice Microsoft programs and stuff since u have a Mac? I'm probably getting a Mac but I SUCK at computers, and I'm worried it'll put me at a disadvantage for the course.

Thanks!

Hey,

Econ 020, Bus 020, MOS 020a/b are all mandatory for the finance and admin specialization. You also need 0.5 credits in computer science, so most BMOS students take comp sci 032a/b because it is definitely the easiest and it is required to fulfill certain credit hours for the CA certification. Trust me, all finance and admin students will take this class. Unless you have a passion for programming, and don't mind an extra 3 hours of labs/week, take comp sci 032a/b.

Next you need one full credit in math. The list in my previous post lists your options. Most BMOS students took the former Math 030, a full year course in calculus and elementary linear algebra. If you tell me what math courses you took this year, and how you are performing in each, I can modestly suggest what math courses you'd be most successful in. Drop me a message if you are interested.

Finally, you are given once elective, and it must be an essay course. The course must be a political science, history, sociology, geography, or women's studies course.

As for your concerns about owning a Mac: It isn't a problem. Everyone taking Comp Sci 032a/b will need a copy of Microsoft Office, regardless of what OS you have. You can buy a copy for Mac, but as far as I know there isn't a copy of Office that is compatible with Mac, and that comes with Microsoft Access (I could be wrong). However, you will spend little time on Access, and there are computers in the library that you can complete these small assignments on (this is what I did). The only other problem with a Mac is that during your HTML and XML programming (don't worry it's hardly programming), I couldn't use Text Edit (Mac version of Window's Notepad) to complete the task. You might need to install a Windows partition on your hard drive (you will need to buy a copy of Windows XP or higher), which can be easily done now that Macs use the Intel chip (just run the pre-installed program called Boot Camp [it's very easy]). On a side note, you might also need a Windows partition to run an application in Econ called "My Econ Lab". Your prof. may or may not use this program, but if they do, it is necessary to be able to access it unless you want to forgo 10% of your mark. Besides, My Econ Lab is a vital practice aid in preparing for exams.

Finally, to clear up your confusion about course lengths and the like, I will make it simple:

A course code with no suffix= a year long, 1.0 full credits
A course code with suffix a/b= half a year long, 0.5 credits-> a= 1st semester, b= 2nd semester
A course code with suffix E= full year, 1.0 full credits essay course (usually 1 large essay/semester + 1 exam each semester)
A course code with suffix F/G= half year, 0.5 credits essay course-> F= 1st semester, G= 2nd semester



NOTE: I have been using course codes from the old system. The course codes have been updated from 3-4 digits to accommodate the growing number of courses offered. Although the codes have changed, the courses have not. Conversion schedules can be found on the UWO site.



Hope this helped,


Cheers

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Ivey HBA 2011

you got your econ mark back already? i still haven't gotten mine back yet. i swear it was all on scantron too

Here are checklists of the different mandatory courses for MOS, since there's 4 specializations and 4 double majors, it's easier for you to check on your own.

http://mos.uwo.ca/checklists.html

You shouldn't be too worried about choosing courses for first year because it's mandatory for you to attend your SAO (Summer Academic Orientation?) where they have upper year students and counsellors from your faculty to help choose your courses and make sure you've enrolled in all mandatory courses. During that time, they also take your picture for you Western 1 card, make sure you do that during that time because you'll be waiting in line forever once school starts and you'll need it to buy your food. My word of advice, try to schedule this appointment as earlier as possible because many of the good class times get filled up early on.

From what I hear from other students in just general social science, is that MOS is slightly more difficult than just regular social science. But I'm in MOS right now, and I don't think that it's that hard to maintain the 80% and I'm not a genius.

Student.uwo.ca? I've been checking it everyday, it's the last mark I'm waiting for. I was in Hammond's night class, section 003 I believe.