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K so what are the pros and cons of Apple laptops?
and of pc?
I need a good laptop and want to know what you guys prefer and why.
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Apple
Cons:
-Ridiculously overpriced
-If something bad happens you pretty much have no chance and HAVE to send it away for at least a couple days if not a week or more (with a PC you can get help from so many people and get it fixed a.s.a.p.)
-Not supported with every piece of software / hardware
-Can't really play many games with them
Pros:
-Nice looking OS
-A bit more stable than a PC laptop (however not to say that you won't encounter any errors on Macs, they have a lot of bugs too)
-Physically looks nice
PC
Cons:
-Nothing major, as long as you get a decent PC laptop you won't / shouldn't have many problems
Pros:
-Later on you can upgrade it instead of throwing it out and having to buy a new one
-Can also run OS X and Linux or any other operating system natively
-Lots more support for PC's
-Pretty much all software and hardware is geared towards Windows users
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Apple sucks. That seems to be a big enough con for me ;)
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bijanv wrote:Apple
Cons:
-Ridiculously overpriced
-If something bad happens you pretty much have no chance and HAVE to send it away for at least a couple days if not a week or more (with a PC you can get help from so many people and get it fixed a.s.a.p.)
-Not supported with every piece of software / hardware
-Can't really play many games with them
Pros:
-Nice looking OS
-A bit more stable than a PC laptop (however not to say that you won't encounter any errors on Macs, they have a lot of bugs too)
-Physically looks nice
PC
Cons:
-Nothing major, as long as you get a decent PC laptop you won't / shouldn't have many problems
Pros:
-Later on you can upgrade it instead of throwing it out and having to buy a new one
-Can also run OS X and Linux or any other operating system natively
-Lots more support for PC's
-Pretty much all software and hardware is geared towards Windows users
Thats a pretty ridiculous list of pros and cons there. Try not to be so biased next time. I especially like how you mention OS X being run natively on windows, but not nothing about official support for Windows on intel Macs. Anyways, i've owned a mac for about 3 years now and I'll probably never go back. I've convinced a lot of my friends to buy Macbooks, and everyone of them couldnt be happier.
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Noel wrote:Thats a pretty ridiculous list of pros and cons there. Try not to be so biased next time.
I especially like how you mention OS X being run natively on windows, but not nothing about official support for Windows on intel Macs.
Anyways, i've owned a mac for about 3 years now and I'll probably never go back.
I've convinced a lot of my friends to buy Macbooks, and everyone of them couldnt be happier. Sorry I took that piece of information for granted, just most people don't know that PC's can run OS X as well. Either way I "tried" not to be too biased (although yes it is a bit). I personally bought a mac and returned it after 3 weeks and I know a couple of friends who've had problems with their Macbook Pro's non-stop for the past 6 months (sending it back to Apple, getting a new one, that one has problems, have to send it back, etc) so that's kind of shyed me away from buying Apple. Regardless, it's not that PC's don't have the same problems, I just hate it when people say Apples are the do all, greatest machines that never break down or get virus's which is a load of bull crap - they have the same problems as any other computer.
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I've been researching this for a while and I think I can be a bit less biased here (but I'm leaning towards Macs)
Mac Pros:
-great operating system (it's more visual, less wordy)
-obviously looks sicknasty from the outside
-fantastic for visual arts and stuff (photoshop, lightroom)
-battery life is better than a lot of PC (but not all!)
-most programs can run in windows AND mac OS's now
-MOST IMPORTANT(this is why I'm probably buying a mac:
LESS VIRUSES!! if you download anything (music, movies(which play really well on macs), games, pictures ANYTHING) the chance of getting a virus is soooo small compared to a PC especially of you use torrents. my friend downloads tons of huge torrents on his mac and he's never had a problem
-doesn't come pre-loaded with Vista!
Mac Cons:
-hard to repair
-expensive
-different operating system (you need to make sure you can export and read documents in Word)
-software is expensive (but you can torrent it without viruses!)
PC Pros
-cheap!
-easy to repair
-all software works on it
-battery life can be good
-you can install crazy graphics cards and stuff for gaming (not sure about macs)
PC Cons
-pretty much ALL have Vista which is aparently full of bugs and is really annoying
-most are heavy and have short battery life
-I have an HP and it's constantly freezing and shutting down and is super slow
-5 minutes after you buy it, it will be obsolete
-mad viruses
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"Later on you can upgrade it (PC) instead of throwing it out and having to buy a new one" For laptops, there really isn't much difference in terms of upgradeability between Mac and PC; which is to say you can upgrade the RAM and the Hard Drive and not much else. I suppose optical drive slot is easily upgradeable in *some* PC laptops, but that part is less standardized. The MacBook Air is not very upgradeable, but then neither are PC laptops that go for ultra thin & light and I wouldn't reccomend the Air for a student anyways. " (PC) you can install crazy graphics cards and stuff for gaming (not sure about macs)" It's true that you can get better graphics cards in PC laptops. But the video card in the MacBook Pro's is about as good as you will find in a 15.4" or smaller laptop, and the one in the MacBooks is the same thing that a very large number of PC laptops have. Also, following from above, you cannot upgrade the video card in a laptop, save for the small number of exceptions discussed here. That being said, while the card in the MacBook Pros is about what you'd get in a 15.4" PC laptop with a gaming graphics card, it goes without saying that the number of games that will run in MacOS is more limited, and while you can now install windows on a Mac, if you want a reasonably well performing gaming laptop you probably are better off with a PC.
 
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I'm really tempted to get a MacBook...and probably will since I've wanted one since what.. grade 3? My PC-oriented parents would never switch over so I need to purchase one on my own  Is there much of a difference though between a MacBook vs. MacBook Pro? Do you really notice a difference? I'm pretty spec illiterate when it comes to Macs.. But I do a fair amount of graphic work and how much better is the graphic card on a Pro?
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Kaylya wrote:"Later on you can upgrade it (PC) instead of throwing it out and having to buy a new one"
For laptops, there really isn't much difference in terms of upgradeability between Mac and PC; which is to say you can upgrade the RAM and the Hard Drive and not much else. I suppose optical drive slot is easily upgradeable in *some* PC laptops, but that part is less standardized. The MacBook Air is not very upgradeable, but then neither are PC laptops that go for ultra thin & light and I wouldn't reccomend the Air for a student anyways. You can upgrade the RAM, Hard Drive, CPU, Optical Drives, Battery (adding a better or second battery), Internal Modules (bluetooth, infrared, etc.)
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You can get Microsoft Works for the Mac books now, that's definitely going to have some impact on the scope of things.
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tmhlee wrote:I'm really tempted to get a MacBook...and probably will since I've wanted one since what.. grade 3? My PC-oriented parents would never switch over so I need to purchase one on my own Is there much of a difference though between a MacBook vs. MacBook Pro? Do you really notice a difference? I'm pretty spec illiterate when it comes to Macs.. But I do a fair amount of graphic work and how much better is the graphic card on a Pro? Going from a Macbook to a Macbook Pro is a HUGE jump. Firstly, there is no video card in a Macbook so don't expect anything visually stunning if your graphics need to stun on your screen. That being said, there are many people who claim to do graphic work when really they just fool around with photoshop's basic features. A regular Macbook will handle it no problem since most of it is processor work and RAM, which the macbook can handle. If you really need the graphics because you do 3D animation or use really advanced graphic features than in the long run it would be better to get a Pro. The Pro romps the non-pro in every single way and that's obvious when you look at the cost comparison. Bottom line, if you're doing basic graphics, the Macbook will do fine and not drain batteries quickly. If you're going for advanced work, get the Pro.
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Have you actually tried running OS X on a pc? If i start listing the computability issues, it'll take my weeks.
Hackintosh is a great project but there is still a lot of work to be done.
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Go to a mac store (or online) and dell.ca, and see the obvious choice. Macs are rediculously overpriced. PLus, its apple...
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I have a question:
Is there any truth to the whole "macs get less viruses than pcs" thing or is that a mac-lovers myth?
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frodolf wrote:I have a question:
Is there any truth to the whole "macs get less viruses than pcs" thing or is that a mac-lovers myth? yes.. it's truth. Almost everybody uses PC so there's tons of viruses that are designed for PCs.. i've researched about it long long time ago
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GGG wrote:frodolf wrote:I have a question:
Is there any truth to the whole "macs get less viruses than pcs" thing or is that a mac-lovers myth? yes.. it's truth. Almost everybody uses PC so there's tons of viruses that are designed for PCs.. i've researched about it long long time ago I don't know for sure, but doesn't this make little to no sense? I'm no comp. wiz, but since most of the components and files in a pc and mac are the same, shoudln't this be untrue? I realise programs are diff. but their getting darn similar.
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eco wrote:GGG wrote:frodolf wrote:I have a question:
Is there any truth to the whole "macs get less viruses than pcs" thing or is that a mac-lovers myth? yes.. it's truth. Almost everybody uses PC so there's tons of viruses that are designed for PCs.. i've researched about it long long time ago I don't know for sure, but doesn't this make little to no sense? I'm no comp. wiz, but since most of the components and files in a pc and mac are the same, shoudln't this be untrue? I realise programs are diff. but their getting darn similar. What I want to know, because I know nothing about computers, is whether macs have less viruses because they have a different OS, or is it the actual hardware that the viruses attack or what??
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frodolf wrote:eco wrote:GGG wrote:frodolf wrote:I have a question:
Is there any truth to the whole "macs get less viruses than pcs" thing or is that a mac-lovers myth? yes.. it's truth. Almost everybody uses PC so there's tons of viruses that are designed for PCs.. i've researched about it long long time ago I don't know for sure, but doesn't this make little to no sense? I'm no comp. wiz, but since most of the components and files in a pc and mac are the same, shoudln't this be untrue? I realise programs are diff. but their getting darn similar. What I want to know, because I know nothing about computers, is whether macs have less viruses because they have a different OS, or is it the actual hardware that the viruses attack or what?? It is because of the different OS. Regardless Spyware and such (not virus's) has nothing to do with the OS and you'll get it regardless unless you have a proper antivirus / antispyware software. The only reason that mac's had "less" virus's than PC's before was simply for the fact that no one had Mac's. Now as more Mac's are coming into the market, hackers are targeting Macs as well and it is proving to be even easier to hack then PC's!
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Okay, last question:
If I run Linux, do I have even less chance of getting viruses?
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frodolf wrote:Okay, last question:
If I run Linux, do I have even less chance of getting viruses? "Technically" no, but you'll most likely have less encounters (mind you Linux virus's are probably the worst because hackers can exploit to the max since they already know the inner workings). All in all, you can have NO virus's with ANY operating system as long as you use the right protection (yes just like sex lol). I've been using Vista and XP for the past 5 or 6 years and I've NEVER had a virus, and had spyware twice and quickly removed it using ad-aware. Also use some common sense, if someone you never talk to on MSN randomly decides to send you their "pics" in an executable format, you know something is up.. DON'T OPEN THINGS YOU DON'T KNOW or aren't expecting... follow that simple rule and I'll guarantee you, you will likely never have a virus
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