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Stringer
Posted: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 4:34:09 PM

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bigbadsheep wrote:
America is not trying to rebuild Iraq like the ISAF force is trying to in Afghanistan.


What's the difference? And why do you think they need to rebuild in the first place?

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bigbadsheep
Posted: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 6:24:13 PM

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Stringer wrote:
bigbadsheep wrote:
America is not trying to rebuild Iraq like the ISAF force is trying to in Afghanistan.


What's the difference? And why do you think they need to rebuild in the first place?


The ISAF in Afghanistan is actively helping civilians in re-establishing and rebuilding infrastructure. They offer medical aid, respond to natural disasters, and help out wherever else they can in addition to providing security for the civilian population.
http://www.nato.int/isaf/docu/mirror/2008/mirror_47_200801.pdf
Here are some of the ways they've been helping out.

And I will admit that the reason that they are currently rebuilding is because the system that was set up before was toppled, so a new one is required.
However, America is not trying to help Iraq rebuild. What are they doing? Training the army on how to handle themselves? That's just so they can say in a couple years,"There ya go, it's your problem now". They are not rebuilding the country that they bombed the bejesus out of.

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Stringer
Posted: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 6:27:07 PM

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bigbadsheep wrote:
Stringer wrote:
bigbadsheep wrote:
America is not trying to rebuild Iraq like the ISAF force is trying to in Afghanistan.


What's the difference? And why do you think they need to rebuild in the first place?


The ISAF in Afghanistan is actively helping civilians in re-establishing and rebuilding infrastructure. They offer medical aid, respond to natural disasters, and help out wherever else they can in addition to providing security for the civilian population.
http://www.nato.int/isaf/docu/mirror/2008/mirror_47_200801.pdf
Here are some of the ways they've been helping out.

And I will admit that the reason that they are currently rebuilding is because the system that was set up before was toppled, so a new one is required.
However, America is not trying to help Iraq rebuild. What are they doing? Training the army on how to handle themselves? That's just so they can say in a couple years,"There ya go, it's your problem now". They are not rebuilding the country that they bombed the bejesus out of.


Are you kidding? America is doing the EXACT same things in Iraq they are doing in Afghanistan.

-Stringer
bigbadsheep
Posted: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 6:40:17 PM

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Stringer wrote:
bigbadsheep wrote:
Stringer wrote:
bigbadsheep wrote:
America is not trying to rebuild Iraq like the ISAF force is trying to in Afghanistan.


What's the difference? And why do you think they need to rebuild in the first place?


The ISAF in Afghanistan is actively helping civilians in re-establishing and rebuilding infrastructure. They offer medical aid, respond to natural disasters, and help out wherever else they can in addition to providing security for the civilian population.
http://www.nato.int/isaf/docu/mirror/2008/mirror_47_200801.pdf
Here are some of the ways they've been helping out.

And I will admit that the reason that they are currently rebuilding is because the system that was set up before was toppled, so a new one is required.
However, America is not trying to help Iraq rebuild. What are they doing? Training the army on how to handle themselves? That's just so they can say in a couple years,"There ya go, it's your problem now". They are not rebuilding the country that they bombed the bejesus out of.


Are you kidding? America is doing the EXACT same things in Iraq they are doing in Afghanistan.

Right now, they are more focused on combat than rebuilding.

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Stringer
Posted: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 6:44:45 PM

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bigbadsheep wrote:
Stringer wrote:
bigbadsheep wrote:
Stringer wrote:
bigbadsheep wrote:
America is not trying to rebuild Iraq like the ISAF force is trying to in Afghanistan.


What's the difference? And why do you think they need to rebuild in the first place?


The ISAF in Afghanistan is actively helping civilians in re-establishing and rebuilding infrastructure. They offer medical aid, respond to natural disasters, and help out wherever else they can in addition to providing security for the civilian population.
http://www.nato.int/isaf/docu/mirror/2008/mirror_47_200801.pdf
Here are some of the ways they've been helping out.

And I will admit that the reason that they are currently rebuilding is because the system that was set up before was toppled, so a new one is required.
However, America is not trying to help Iraq rebuild. What are they doing? Training the army on how to handle themselves? That's just so they can say in a couple years,"There ya go, it's your problem now". They are not rebuilding the country that they bombed the bejesus out of.


Are you kidding? America is doing the EXACT same things in Iraq they are doing in Afghanistan.

Right now, they are more focused on combat than rebuilding.


Because the Iraq war started after the Afghanistan war...

The missions are basically the same. Remove the current government because you don't agree with them. Try to create a democratic society and eventually leave.

-Stringer
bigbadsheep
Posted: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:07:00 PM

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As far as removing government powers is concerned, I wont try to disagree with you because that is self-evident, but my posts have been aimed at defending the fact that Canada, as a country(not individual soldiers) has undertaken a primarily peacekeeping mission in Afghanistan. They entered after most of the initial fighting was done or winding down, and began to implement means to start helping the Afghan people rebuild.
If the Taliban came back into power, there is no doubt there will be more violence, because they as an extreme radical Islamic government would see those who gave into the Western ways, even slightly, as being enemies.

Also I believe that there was a difference of opinion between Afghanistan and Iraq as far as coalition countries were concerned. With Afghanistan, countries saw a government that turned a blind eye to the terrorists, which was a threat to global safety. The September 11 attack was not justified and many countries sided with the U.S., however, there was not much reason to believe that Iraq was much of a threat, which is why support of that mission was so low. Look at those countries who opted out of Iraq-Canada, France, Germany etc, and you will see however that they were in support of Afghanistan and still have troops present there to this day.

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Stringer
Posted: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:09:03 PM

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bigbadsheep wrote:
As far as removing government powers is concerned, I wont try to disagree with you because that is self-evident, but my posts have been aimed at defending the fact that Canada, as a country(not individual soldiers) has undertaken a primarily peacekeeping mission in Afghanistan. They entered after most of the initial fighting was done or winding down, and began to implement means to start helping the Afghan people rebuild.
If the Taliban came back into power, there is no doubt there will be more violence, because they as an extreme radical Islamic government would see those who gave into the Western ways, even slightly, as being enemies.

Also I believe that there was a difference of opinion between Afghanistan and Iraq as far as coalition countries were concerned. With Afghanistan, countries saw a government that turned a blind eye to the terrorists, which was a threat to global safety. The September 11 attack was not justified and many countries sided with the U.S., however, there was not much reason to believe that Iraq was much of a threat, which is why support of that mission was so low. Look at those countries who opted out of Iraq-Canada, France, Germany etc, and you will see however that they were in support of Afghanistan and still have troops present there to this day.


I'm not saying either war was right or wrong. I'm simply saying that both were wars, and Canada participated in a combative role in Afghanistan.

-Stringer
D.Dickin
Posted: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 1:25:36 AM

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Stringer wrote:
You're hopeless. Was Canada peacekeeping when they helped removed the Nazi regime? After all, the Nazi regime was responsible for millions of deaths. Canada was just "peacekeeping" though, right?


You've only just learned about the attacks on September 11. I don't think you're quite ready to figure out the difference between WWII and Afghanistan quite yet... scratch

Stringer wrote:
And why do you think they need to rebuild in the first place?


Because Afghanistan is a less fortunate nation who didn't have enormous amounts of resources to build itself. Canadians are helping to rebuild it following the Russian invasions in the 80's and then the following government being terrorists.

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Stringer
Posted: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:43:40 AM

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D.Dickin wrote:
Stringer wrote:
You're hopeless. Was Canada peacekeeping when they helped removed the Nazi regime? After all, the Nazi regime was responsible for millions of deaths. Canada was just "peacekeeping" though, right?


You've only just learned about the attacks on September 11. I don't think you're quite ready to figure out the difference between WWII and Afghanistan quite yet... scratch

Stringer wrote:
And why do you think they need to rebuild in the first place?


Because Afghanistan is a less fortunate nation who didn't have enormous amounts of resources to build itself. Canadians are helping to rebuild it following the Russian invasions in the 80's and then the following government being terrorists.


hahahaha

Sorry, there's no point explaining to you what has happened in the past decade if you can't figure it out by now.

-Stringer
gangsta9875
Posted: Friday, April 25, 2008 4:27:55 AM
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canada is boring as heck. hockey is boring compare to the nfl, nba, and even mlb. (we got no nfl team. 1 nba and mlb team both in toronto and they suck) no marketable stars like allen iverson, kobe bryant, carmelo anthony, shaq, dwyane wade, a-rod, derek jeter. heck steve francis refused to play for the grizz when they were in vancouver. it's basically a bunch of european guys skating in circles. taxes are high (and the money don't funnel back, they go toward drug addicts). it's a welfare state with a bunch of seniors. too many immigrants who never learn english and refused to adapt to mainstream north american culture. and there is only one party to vote for (conservative) even though they're not the ideal choice, unfortunately all other parties are either socialist/communist. oh and the city of richmond is a joke. there is no club scene. no excitement. jay-z, usher, eminem, britney spears (before she got pregnant) and other renowned rappers/celebrity never stop here during their tours. we onlyl get lame guys like avril lavigne or simple plan or some other lame rockers. the schools sucks. most schools don't offer ap courses except private schools so we can't compete with the states. canadian universities/high schools usually give out lower GPAs. in conclusion, i must say, every canadian wants to be in the states deep in their hearts, but their just too cocky to admit this fact
gangsta9875
Posted: Friday, April 25, 2008 4:32:12 AM
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Stringer wrote:
D.Dickin wrote:
Stringer wrote:
You're hopeless. Was Canada peacekeeping when they helped removed the Nazi regime? After all, the Nazi regime was responsible for millions of deaths. Canada was just "peacekeeping" though, right?


You've only just learned about the attacks on September 11. I don't think you're quite ready to figure out the difference between WWII and Afghanistan quite yet... scratch

Stringer wrote:
And why do you think they need to rebuild in the first place?


Because Afghanistan is a less fortunate nation who didn't have enormous amounts of resources to build itself. Canadians are helping to rebuild it following the Russian invasions in the 80's and then the following government being terrorists.


hahahaha

Sorry, there's no point explaining to you what has happened in the past decade if you can't figure it out by now.


y'all are a bunch of pacifists. the reason canada don't get respect around the world is because the country is full of pacifists. think about it. we pay 45-50% of our income to the government and they can't even buy a few decent tanks, aircraft, and nuclear arsenal instead we are providing free drugs to addicts, giving welfare to people who are too lazy to work, and building hospitals that wouldn't treat you even if you have the money (you gotta wait till the poor get their surgery/treatments).
gangsta9875
Posted: Friday, April 25, 2008 4:35:33 AM
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Stringer wrote:
bigbadsheep wrote:
America is not trying to rebuild Iraq like the ISAF force is trying to in Afghanistan.


What's the difference? And why do you think they need to rebuild in the first place?


president bush is doing the right thing to topple totalitarian regimes that disregard human rights and present a threat to the united states who protect the free world (including canada and western europe). such regimes (such as N. korea, china, lybia, russia, iran, syria, zimbabwe, vietnam, cuba, venezuela) should be toppled and democracy and pan-americanism should be the defining trend going forward
D.Dickin
Posted: Friday, April 25, 2008 10:03:40 AM

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Hahahahaexclamation I'm not even going to touch this Gangsta's outrageous posts. Anyone else?

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Stringer
Posted: Friday, April 25, 2008 12:32:10 PM

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gangsta9875 wrote:
Stringer wrote:
bigbadsheep wrote:
America is not trying to rebuild Iraq like the ISAF force is trying to in Afghanistan.


What's the difference? And why do you think they need to rebuild in the first place?


president bush is doing the right thing to topple totalitarian regimes that disregard human rights and present a threat to the united states who protect the free world (including canada and western europe). such regimes (such as N. korea, china, lybia, russia, iran, syria, zimbabwe, vietnam, cuba, venezuela) should be toppled and democracy and pan-americanism should be the defining trend going forward


Nothing like conquering nations and making them into mini-Americas.



-Stringer
bigbadsheep
Posted: Friday, April 25, 2008 1:52:19 PM

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gangsta9875 wrote:
canada is boring as heck. hockey is boring compare to the nfl, nba, and even mlb. (we got no nfl team. 1 nba and mlb team both in toronto and they suck) no marketable stars like allen iverson, kobe bryant, carmelo anthony, shaq, dwyane wade, a-rod, derek jeter. heck steve francis refused to play for the grizz when they were in vancouver. it's basically a bunch of european guys skating in circles. taxes are high (and the money don't funnel back, they go toward drug addicts). it's a welfare state with a bunch of seniors. too many immigrants who never learn english and refused to adapt to mainstream north american culture. and there is only one party to vote for (conservative) even though they're not the ideal choice, unfortunately all other parties are either socialist/communist. oh and the city of richmond is a joke. there is no club scene. no excitement. jay-z, usher, eminem, britney spears (before she got pregnant) and other renowned rappers/celebrity never stop here during their tours. we onlyl get lame guys like avril lavigne or simple plan or some other lame rockers. the schools sucks. most schools don't offer ap courses except private schools so we can't compete with the states. canadian universities/high schools usually give out lower GPAs. in conclusion, i must say, every canadian wants to be in the states deep in their hearts, but their just too cocky to admit this fact


So then move to the states and live the great life they live. Just make sure you get a good paying job and amazing healthcare plan so that you don't get shafted. I'm happy to be living in Canada.

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nauru
Posted: Friday, April 25, 2008 5:51:59 PM
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The US sure is a great place to be rich, that's for sure.
TaintedKane
Posted: Saturday, April 26, 2008 3:28:47 PM

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nauru wrote:
The US sure is a great place to be rich, that's for sure.


or corrupt politician (oh wait thats basically any country)

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Miss
Posted: Saturday, April 26, 2008 6:08:43 PM

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kudos to u guys who actually bothered to read through those 5 pages of posts before posting ur own message.

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nauru
Posted: Saturday, April 26, 2008 6:46:44 PM
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TaintedKane wrote:
nauru wrote:
The US sure is a great place to be rich, that's for sure.


or corrupt politician (oh wait thats basically any country)


Not every country is a good place to be rich. Tax law, inheritance laws, capital gains laws, even rules about what you can and can't spend your money on, all differ from country to country. So there are great places to be rich, and there are not-so-good places to be rich. smile
SwobyJ
Posted: Friday, May 09, 2008 2:07:21 PM

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1) I think we are forgetting about them Afghanistan opium fields and their huge increase in production.. I see

2) Almost all of the 9/11 highjackers were from Saudi Arabia. This doesn't mean the Taliban wasn't involved persay.. but shouldn't Saudi Arabia be the first place to go after if that's where the hijackers were found to be reporting to? Oh wait...oil...um...yeahhhh

3) While Canada is losing it's identity culturally, economically, and politically, Mexico is losing people and money outright. This lends credence to the 'North American Union' 'theory', but it's not really a theory when I've seen c-pac videos with Congresspeople openly discussing it....

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