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Poppy wrote:^^
There is no sense in belittling a dead man who was clearly suffering internally from emotional, mental, or perhaps even physical pain, and who did not receive adequate treatment to prevent his suicidal thoughts. Suicide is an inherently selfish act, but it cannot be reduced to that one element. Severe depression, especially when coupled with suicidal ideation, is a medical condition which requires the assistance and support of trained professionals. Anyone who is suffering from suicidal ideation is suffering from a disease which requires medical treatment. Do not belittle the seriousness of suicide and depression by reducing it to a singular element. +1
Grade 12 Future Psychologist Applying to: Laurentian (Honours B.A Psych) Accepted to: Guelph (Honours B.A Psych), Carleton (Honours B.A Psych)
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Nooblet wrote:he doesn't deserve sympathy if he did commit suicide.
Anyone who doesn't value life do not deserve sympathy. So, if your little brother committed suicide, you would have no sympathy for him what so ever? Most of us are lucky enough not to have suicidal thought; it takes control of you sooner or later. Poppy said it best, you need professional advice. WE don't sympathise murderers and rapists because we feel more sympathy for the victim. In a suicial case, the victim is the suicidal person him/herself. With that being said, i don't agree with suicide, euthanasia, abortion or anyof that crap. But putting myself in thier shoes, i can understand why people do it.
University of Toronto Electrical Engineering 1T1 (2011) October 12th 2009.
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Flag wrote:scarboro wrote:ARMY101 wrote:bimmer35 wrote:pinkchair wrote:When people reach out and you treat them like sh!t, you never know how they'll be affected by it... Any reason for saying this? Was this actually a case of bullying or were you making assumptions? It's only assumptions right now. They haven't said what caused it - or even that it was a confirmed suicide (right now it's an 'alleged' suicide). The Res. and Frosh organizers better hope this doesn't come back to anything related to their events or drinking  Yeah, because partying and alcohol are known to cause people to feel agony and committ suicide. It's obvious that if this is a suicide, it stems from family/psychological problems and not from the 'university experience'. I think he was going for more of a 'got drunk and fell out a window'... I don't think the u101 week organizers have to worry about being blamed for this. Because this happened so quickly (there had only been two days of classes) it means that this person's reasons for taking his own life are related to his experience before moving here. IMO this person decided to take his life and was determined to do so just because of the way the windows are designed. It's not like you can fall from them by accident even if heavily intoxicated. I'm very sad this person resorted to this action and I hope that the other grieving students will come out (relatively) ok from this event. University is different from high school because students need to initiate the first step - they have to call or go the the service's office - a lot of people don't. Finally, although I'm only speculating, this student could have also been on a type of medication that can increase the risk of having suicidal thoughts. In my own experience I've had Acutane (a drug to help reduce acne) and more recently Citalopram (an anti-depressant) both of these have warnings about some patients having thoughts about hurting themselves or suicide, or increasing these thoughts, as side effects. I'm speculating because more and more kids are medicated these days, and I don't know what his life before university could have been like (I'm not interested in blaming anyone). So please try not to judge this poor kid. May he rest in peace and may the rest of the students and staff and the person who tried to revive him find solace.
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ARMY101 wrote:It's only assumptions right now. They haven't said what caused it - or even that it was a confirmed suicide (right now it's an 'alleged' suicide). The Res. and Frosh organizers better hope this doesn't come back to anything related to their events or drinking My girlfriend used to live in Thompson, and I can tell you that it's extremely improbable that someone would go through one of those windows by accident.
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Rumour has it around the city/university students at Carleton and Ottawa that the guy was on LSD celebrating Frosh when this happened. Apparently he thought he could fly.
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ARMY101 wrote:Rumour has it around the city/university students at Carleton and Ottawa that the guy was on LSD celebrating Frosh when this happened. Apparently he thought he could fly. This sort of rumour is started every time somebody jumps out of a window, and ends up being true 0% of the time. Not only does LSD not make people jump out of windows (c.f. lack of huge spike in falling deaths during the 60s), one would wonder why someone would celebrate frosh week by doing LSD alone in their res room.
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