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Boy jumps out of window at Ottawa University and Dies Options
anna12345
Posted: September 13, 2009 2:30:52 PM

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OMG i live in 90 u but i went home for the weekend so I missed it. I just found out about it . It's so sad i don't even know how to react to this but i'm kinda glad that i'll always have my family support and hopefully stuff like that won't happen to me
Slick
Posted: September 13, 2009 2:46:06 PM
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One of my friends living on the 8th floor saw him fall and then watched as they gave the guy CPR. I slept right through it all...
AndreaB
Posted: September 13, 2009 9:42:39 PM

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I just found out this morning. This is a tragedy and is shocking. Incidents like this can happen at anytime, at any institution, and for almost any reason. The students in residence, their CAs and the staff, the administration, the general student population, profs, etc are all deeply saddened and grieving. Please don't polute someone's memory with insensitive comments.

This is the mass email that was sent to all @uottawa.ca email accounts.



Subject: Incident at the Thompson Residence

Hello
Andréa,


A tragic incident occurred at the Thompson Residence today in which
one of our students lost his life. We are deeply saddened by this turn of
events.

There is no basis for concern about the security or safety of other
students or staff.

This is a busy and challenging time as classes resume. It can also be
a stressful period. Please do not hesitate to call the University’s
Counselling Service at any time, should you feel the need for any reason,
at 613-562-5200 (located at 100 Marie-Curie, fourth floor) which is open
from Monday to Friday from 9:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m.

The University of Ottawa
prototypex2
Posted: September 13, 2009 10:12:07 PM
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yikes scary! poor boy =(
lin9825
Posted: September 14, 2009 12:15:52 PM
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Found one article
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/students+seek+answers+campus+death/1990497/story.html
ARMY101
Posted: September 14, 2009 1:36:32 PM

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Quote:
http://www.canada.com/news/national/Student+death+cause+concern+Ottawa+University/1990487/story.html

Student’s death cause for concern at Ottawa University


By Gary Dimmock and Lynn SaxbergSeptember 14, 2009

OTTAWA — Students at the University of Ottawa looked up Sunday at a towering residence building from which a student, believed to be 20, jumped to his death a day before.

It was a clear, crisp sunny Saturday morning when the student plunged from a 15th-floor window as frosh week organizers below busied themselves setting up recruitment tables for clubs and events. Some students screamed as they saw the man fall; others scrambled for a first-aid kit. According to one witness, a firefighter was the first to come to his aid, giving the man CPR. He tried to revive the young man shortly after 9 a.m. The man died on scene.

At 9:24 p.m. Saturday, the University of Ottawa e-mailed students about what the school described as an “Incident at the Thompson Residence.” The e-mail to students reminded them they could call for counselling at “any time,” and assured students: “There is no basis for concern about the security or safety of other students or staff. This is a busy and challenging time as classes resume. It can also be a stressful period.”

The on-campus death has rattled the student body; by Sunday, the university was offering counselling. “It’s messed up,” said first-year student Dan Swadron, 18. He was in the cafeteria eating breakfast and had a clear view of the events unfolding outside. He saw the firefighter’s attempts to revive the man after his fall.

The death, just days into the start of the fresh university year, serves as a cautionary note and calls to mind a similarly tragic case across town at Carleton University in March 2008 when first-year student Nadia Kajouji, 18, jumped off a bridge into the Rideau River.

“Life in general can be stressful . . . You wonder if it ever got to that point, you’d think they’d want to talk about it (to a group) or at least to someone close to them,” Swadron said.


Iyad Kandalaft, a 22-year-old second-year biomedical engineering graduate student, said students are “curious and extremely saddened by what has occurred.” He added: “In my opinion, the administration is not openly discussing the details with students.”



According to Dr. Raj Bhatla, chief psychiatrist with the Royal Ottawa Mental Health Centre, balance and sensitivity are required in any public discussion of such cases. “It’s a very tough situation because there needs to be the public discourse, but you can’t sensationalize or romanticize what may or may not have happened to an individual.”


Bhatla said it’s important to recognize the warning signs and be aware that anyone dealing with a change in life circumstances could be at risk. “There’s certainly information showing that whenever there is a change in environment, and stressful situations, those are general risk factors,” he said. “So, certainly something like starting university could be a stressor for someone who’s already somewhat vulnerable.”




The stress would be greater for someone coming to a new city or a different country, or if they left an established peer group, he added. Signs that someone may be depressed include changes in sleep patterns or appetite, unexplained illness or physical complaints, neglect of personal appearance and loss of interest in activities that one normally enjoys.

A person may also experience feelings of hopelessness or mood swings. The first thing to do if you suspect someone is depressed is to ask gently how they’re doing. “That’s the major thing to do because it’s a show of concern and wanting to help,” Bhatla said.

Ottawa Citizen


Carleton University
Bachelor of Arts in Law
bimmer35
Posted: September 14, 2009 1:39:13 PM

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pinkchair wrote:
When people reach out and you treat them like sh!t, you never know how they'll be affected by it...


Any reason for saying this? Was this actually a case of bullying or were you making assumptions?

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ARMY101
Posted: September 14, 2009 1:40:46 PM

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bimmer35 wrote:
pinkchair wrote:
When people reach out and you treat them like sh!t, you never know how they'll be affected by it...


Any reason for saying this? Was this actually a case of bullying or were you making assumptions?


It's only assumptions right now. They haven't said what caused it - or even that it was a confirmed suicide (right now it's an 'alleged' suicide). The Res. and Frosh organizers better hope this doesn't come back to anything related to their events or drinking wink

Carleton University
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Posted: September 14, 2009 3:40:38 PM

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This seriously just breaks my heart... Heard about it yesterday, and today my heart still literally feels heavy and my mood is down.

zackboomer wrote:
I don't think I could keep it up IRL either

pinkchair
Posted: September 14, 2009 3:55:17 PM
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bimmer35 wrote:
pinkchair wrote:
When people reach out and you treat them like sh!t, you never know how they'll be affected by it...


Any reason for saying this? Was this actually a case of bullying or were you making assumptions?


Maybe his dog died, nobody knows but these things just serve as a reminder of the power of our place in the world.

"Still sippin wishin well water, imported, from Pluto"
My name is Car, I'm Greek.
Pluto IS a real planet.
Check my profile.
Oracle
Posted: September 14, 2009 4:11:38 PM
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This is really sad; a real tragedy.

University of Western Ontario 2014
Social Sciences and Ivey AEO

AndreaB
Posted: September 14, 2009 6:25:32 PM

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ARMY101 wrote:
[quote]

[...]

Iyad Kandalaft, a 22-year-old second-year biomedical engineering graduate student, said students are “curious and extremely saddened by what has occurred.” He added: “In my opinion, the administration is not openly discussing the details with students.”


[...]



What is he talking about? There was an email sent out the same day, and unless student's saw it happen then they didn't even know about it until they received the email (like me).

Plus, you can't just make any statement whenever you like. The police have to perform an investigation, and most importantly the student's parents need to be informed first before the rest of the student population. Plus the administration needs to respect that person's family's privacy and give them the chance to grieve first.

Eventually the administration will have permission to make more statements, and when they do they will.



To help clear things up, in the email you will notice the operation hours for a Counselling Service. That service got mentioned because there are a lot of students who will need grief counselling (ie. those who knew the boy or those who witnessed the incident, etc). However, they aren't psychologists but at least they can offer referrals if someone really needs it.

There is also a Peer Support hot line and a Centre that you can go to for the same reasons (but you'd be counselled by another student and not necessarily someone in a suit and tie).

scarboro
Posted: September 14, 2009 7:13:11 PM

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ARMY101 wrote:
bimmer35 wrote:
pinkchair wrote:
When people reach out and you treat them like sh!t, you never know how they'll be affected by it...


Any reason for saying this? Was this actually a case of bullying or were you making assumptions?


It's only assumptions right now. They haven't said what caused it - or even that it was a confirmed suicide (right now it's an 'alleged' suicide). The Res. and Frosh organizers better hope this doesn't come back to anything related to their events or drinking wink

Yeah, because partying and alcohol are known to cause people to feel agony and committ suicide.

It's obvious that if this is a suicide, it stems from family/psychological problems and not from the 'university experience'.

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UofT2011
Posted: September 14, 2009 8:02:04 PM
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Something caused his emotions to explode after all these years. I wouldn't be surprized if alcohol brought out his true emotions. Its not something to ignore, neither is it something to blame. We'll just have to wait and find out.

University of Toronto Electrical Engineering 1T1 (2011)
October 12th 2009.
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Posted: September 14, 2009 9:00:46 PM

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scarboro wrote:
ARMY101 wrote:
bimmer35 wrote:
pinkchair wrote:
When people reach out and you treat them like sh!t, you never know how they'll be affected by it...


Any reason for saying this? Was this actually a case of bullying or were you making assumptions?


It's only assumptions right now. They haven't said what caused it - or even that it was a confirmed suicide (right now it's an 'alleged' suicide). The Res. and Frosh organizers better hope this doesn't come back to anything related to their events or drinking wink

Yeah, because partying and alcohol are known to cause people to feel agony and committ suicide.

It's obvious that if this is a suicide, it stems from family/psychological problems and not from the 'university experience'.


I think he was going for more of a 'got drunk and fell out a window'...

zackboomer wrote:
I don't think I could keep it up IRL either

Nooblet
Posted: September 15, 2009 12:32:32 AM
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he doesn't deserve sympathy if he did commit suicide.


Anyone who doesn't value life do not deserve sympathy.

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Poppy
Posted: September 15, 2009 12:53:19 AM

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^^

There is no sense in belittling a dead man who was clearly suffering internally from emotional, mental, or perhaps even physical pain, and who did not receive adequate treatment to prevent his suicidal thoughts. Suicide is an inherently selfish act, but it cannot be reduced to that one element. Severe depression, especially when coupled with suicidal ideation, is a medical condition which requires the assistance and support of trained professionals. Anyone who is suffering from suicidal ideation is suffering from a disease which requires medical treatment. Do not belittle the seriousness of suicide and depression by reducing it to a singular element.
Nooblet
Posted: September 15, 2009 2:01:31 AM
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The same can be said about murderers. And rapists.

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o0_mysterious_0o
Posted: September 15, 2009 8:20:11 AM

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Poppy wrote:
^^

There is no sense in belittling a dead man who was clearly suffering internally from emotional, mental, or perhaps even physical pain, and who did not receive adequate treatment to prevent his suicidal thoughts. Suicide is an inherently selfish act, but it cannot be reduced to that one element. Severe depression, especially when coupled with suicidal ideation, is a medical condition which requires the assistance and support of trained professionals. Anyone who is suffering from suicidal ideation is suffering from a disease which requires medical treatment. Do not belittle the seriousness of suicide and depression by reducing it to a singular element.


+1

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UofT2011
Posted: September 15, 2009 11:56:06 AM
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Nooblet wrote:
he doesn't deserve sympathy if he did commit suicide.


Anyone who doesn't value life do not deserve sympathy.

So, if your little brother committed suicide, you would have no sympathy for him what so ever?
Most of us are lucky enough not to have suicidal thought; it takes control of you sooner or later. Poppy said it best, you need professional advice. WE don't sympathise murderers and rapists because we feel more sympathy for the victim. In a suicial case, the victim is the suicidal person him/herself.

With that being said, i don't agree with suicide, euthanasia, abortion or anyof that crap. But putting myself in thier shoes, i can understand why people do it.

University of Toronto Electrical Engineering 1T1 (2011)
October 12th 2009.


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