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Oh please. The harm caused by eating a burger is not equal to the harm that you could cause to yourself or others when drunk.
Drinking a litre of pop a day is likely worse for you than drinking a few nights a week. The reality is this: A) You don't drink and therefore have no idea about the effects of alcohol. and B) You have no knowledge of the effects of drinking other than the scare tactics that have been thrust upon you by the government and your parents. What is all this harm you're talking about that "drunk" people do? Okay well I don't have time to look up information about alcohol since I'm in the middle of CIA4U right now haha, BUT, take a look at the list eco pasted up. A) Yeah true B) .. why would the government benefit from scaring me away from alcohol? I was at a hotel once where a woman fell down the stairs because she had been drinking and lost balance. Don't remember much other than there was blood everywhere. My family had luckily been walking by so we called reception who called the ambulance I guess, so she survived. Otherwise, she probably would have bled to death. GREAT way to die. Also, I know someone (well indirectly, happened to a friend of someone I know who doesn't drink) who got raped because she had been drinking heavily.
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simplicity16 wrote:Stringer wrote:simplicity16 wrote:
Oh please. The harm caused by eating a burger is not equal to the harm that you could cause to yourself or others when drunk.
Drinking a litre of pop a day is likely worse for you than drinking a few nights a week. The reality is this: A) You don't drink and therefore have no idea about the effects of alcohol. and B) You have no knowledge of the effects of drinking other than the scare tactics that have been thrust upon you by the government and your parents. What is all this harm you're talking about that "drunk" people do? Okay well I don't have time to look up information about alcohol since I'm in the middle of CIA4U right now haha, BUT, take a look at the list eco pasted up. A) Yeah true B) .. why would the government benefit from scaring me away from alcohol? I was at a hotel once where a woman fell down the stairs because she had been drinking and lost balance. Don't remember much other than there was blood everywhere. My family had luckily been walking by so we called reception who called the ambulance I guess, so she survived. Otherwise, she probably would have bled to death. GREAT way to die. Also, I know someone (well indirectly, happened to a friend of someone I know who doesn't drink) who got raped because she had been drinking heavily. So you have heard two bad experiences about drinking. Those people clearly abused it. How many people do you know who have died in car accidents? I personally knew three. Does that mean nobody should drive because it is potentially dangerous? No, it means you should be responsible when behind the wheel. Same with alcohol and drugs.
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Oh right thanks for reminding me. That's ANOTHER problem: driving under the influence. Alcohol-related motor vehicle crashes kill someone every 31 minutes and nonfatally injure someone every two minutes (NHTSA 2006). But there are effective measures that can be taken to prevent injuries and deaths from impaired driving. Occurrence and Consequences * During 2005, 16,885 people in the U.S. died in alcohol-related motor vehicle crashes, representing 39% of all traffic-related deaths (NHTSA 2006). Source: http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/drving.htmAnddd another example: my friend's uncle died in a car accident because of a drunk driver. I'm sorry to hear that you know 3 people who died from car accidents, but did any of those result from a driver who was under the influence,if you don't mind me asking?
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simplicity16 wrote:Oh right thanks for reminding me. That's ANOTHER problem: driving under the influence. Alcohol-related motor vehicle crashes kill someone every 31 minutes and nonfatally injure someone every two minutes (NHTSA 2006). But there are effective measures that can be taken to prevent injuries and deaths from impaired driving. Occurrence and Consequences * During 2005, 16,885 people in the U.S. died in alcohol-related motor vehicle crashes, representing 39% of all traffic-related deaths (NHTSA 2006). Source: http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/drving.htmAnddd another example: my friend's uncle died in a car accident because of a drunk driver. I'm sorry to hear that you know 3 people who died from car accidents, but did any of those result from a driver who was under the influence,if you don't mind me asking? My point is that alcohol and drugs can be used safely, and usually are. Just because certain people abuse something, does not make it bad. Basically everything can be abused, just like alcohol and drugs. It doesn't mean that they should be avoided, just used properly.
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Stringer wrote:simplicity16 wrote:Oh right thanks for reminding me. That's ANOTHER problem: driving under the influence. Alcohol-related motor vehicle crashes kill someone every 31 minutes and nonfatally injure someone every two minutes (NHTSA 2006). But there are effective measures that can be taken to prevent injuries and deaths from impaired driving. Occurrence and Consequences * During 2005, 16,885 people in the U.S. died in alcohol-related motor vehicle crashes, representing 39% of all traffic-related deaths (NHTSA 2006). Source: http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/drving.htmAnddd another example: my friend's uncle died in a car accident because of a drunk driver. I'm sorry to hear that you know 3 people who died from car accidents, but did any of those result from a driver who was under the influence,if you don't mind me asking? My point is that alcohol and drugs can be used safely, and usually are. Just because certain people abuse something, does not make it bad. Basically everything can be abused, just like alcohol and drugs. It doesn't mean that they should be avoided, just used properly. I understand what your point is, and you seem like an intelligent person who drinks alcohol moderately and knows your limits. HOWEVER, there are too many people who DO abuse alcohol and drugs, and when they do, they aren't only harming themselves but others, and that's why I'm against alcohol/drugs. Why drink alcohol or use other drugs when the consequences greatly outweigh the benefits of having some fun and feeling good for a while? Why not enjoy yourself in OTHER activities that aren't detrimental to yourself and others?
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*Tobias is hit by a car*
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simplicity16 wrote:Stringer wrote:simplicity16 wrote:Oh right thanks for reminding me. That's ANOTHER problem: driving under the influence. Alcohol-related motor vehicle crashes kill someone every 31 minutes and nonfatally injure someone every two minutes (NHTSA 2006). But there are effective measures that can be taken to prevent injuries and deaths from impaired driving. Occurrence and Consequences * During 2005, 16,885 people in the U.S. died in alcohol-related motor vehicle crashes, representing 39% of all traffic-related deaths (NHTSA 2006). Source: http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/drving.htmAnddd another example: my friend's uncle died in a car accident because of a drunk driver. I'm sorry to hear that you know 3 people who died from car accidents, but did any of those result from a driver who was under the influence,if you don't mind me asking? My point is that alcohol and drugs can be used safely, and usually are. Just because certain people abuse something, does not make it bad. Basically everything can be abused, just like alcohol and drugs. It doesn't mean that they should be avoided, just used properly. I understand what your point is, and you seem like an intelligent person who drinks alcohol moderately and knows your limits. HOWEVER, there are too many people who DO abuse alcohol and drugs, and when they do, they aren't only harming themselves but others, and that's why I'm against alcohol/drugs. Why drink alcohol or use other drugs when the consequences greatly outweigh the benefits of having some fun and feeling good for a while? Why not enjoy yourself in OTHER activities that aren't detrimental to yourself and others? My point exactly. And also, most drugs can not be used in an approporiate fashion. Only pot and alcohol, and mabey a couple others... And even these, as we've seen... arent great.
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simplicity16 wrote:
I understand what your point is, and you seem like an intelligent person who drinks alcohol moderately and knows your limits. HOWEVER, there are too many people who DO abuse alcohol and drugs, and when they do, they aren't only harming themselves but others, and that's why I'm against alcohol/drugs. Why drink alcohol or use other drugs when the consequences greatly outweigh the benefits of having some fun and feeling good for a while? Why not enjoy yourself in OTHER activities that aren't detrimental to yourself and others?
That's a faulty argument. There are people out there who abuse alcohol, but there is an even greater majority who drink in social situations and for relaxation purposes. There is a difference between alcoholism and the consumption of alcohol. Drinking is only harmful when the individual is physically immature (too young, not referring to legal age, but developmentally) or if it is abused. You are basing your view of alcohol solely on the negatives that you have heard. Alcohol and natural drugs aren't some new discovery, they've been around forever, it's only recently however that we are seeing increases in the abuse of alcohol.
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The frequencies are not the issue. It is the magnitude of the positives and negatives. The drugs have mild plus sides, and often, TERRIBLE negatives, even if they are rare (with alcohol they are NOT rare)
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I was at a hotel once where a woman fell down the stairs because she had been drinking and lost balance. Don't remember much other than there was blood everywhere. My family had luckily been walking by so we called reception who called the ambulance I guess, so she survived. Otherwise, she probably would have bled to death. GREAT way to die.
Also, I know someone (well indirectly, happened to a friend of someone I know who doesn't drink) who got raped because she had been drinking heavily.
Ok this doesn't change mine or anyone else's view point, but don't want to be using fake examples: from what I was just told, the girl in my example wasn't raped... instead she had drunken sex and got pregnant. So the point is, drinking has awful consequences. It's not like you have to be a raging alcoholic or regular abuser of alcohol/drugs to suffer, making the mistake ONCE of getting very drunk could potentially ruin your life or the lives of others.
Is the temporary high/enjoyment you get from drinking and using drugs really worth it? Ask the kids whose fathers were killed by drunk drivers.
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*Tobias is hit by a car*
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Our school's semi-formal isn't until May, but I'm not going. It seems to be an over-rated excuse to get drunk, act like an idiot, then go to an after-party and do more stupid things. I'd rather work or do something else productive.
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simplicity16 wrote:simplicity16 wrote:
I was at a hotel once where a woman fell down the stairs because she had been drinking and lost balance. Don't remember much other than there was blood everywhere. My family had luckily been walking by so we called reception who called the ambulance I guess, so she survived. Otherwise, she probably would have bled to death. GREAT way to die.
Also, I know someone (well indirectly, happened to a friend of someone I know who doesn't drink) who got raped because she had been drinking heavily.
Ok this doesn't change mine or anyone else's view point, but don't want to be using fake examples: from what I was just told, the girl in my example wasn't raped... instead she had drunken sex and got pregnant. So the point is, drinking has awful consequences. It's not like you have to be a raging alcoholic or regular abuser of alcohol/drugs to suffer, making the mistake ONCE of getting very drunk could potentially ruin your life or the lives of others.
Is the temporary high/enjoyment you get from drinking and using drugs really worth it? Ask the kids whose fathers were killed by drunk drivers. One mistake behind the wheel can cause the death and/or injury of you or somebody else. Is it really worth it?
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Stringer wrote:simplicity16 wrote:simplicity16 wrote:
I was at a hotel once where a woman fell down the stairs because she had been drinking and lost balance. Don't remember much other than there was blood everywhere. My family had luckily been walking by so we called reception who called the ambulance I guess, so she survived. Otherwise, she probably would have bled to death. GREAT way to die.
Also, I know someone (well indirectly, happened to a friend of someone I know who doesn't drink) who got raped because she had been drinking heavily.
Ok this doesn't change mine or anyone else's view point, but don't want to be using fake examples: from what I was just told, the girl in my example wasn't raped... instead she had drunken sex and got pregnant. So the point is, drinking has awful consequences. It's not like you have to be a raging alcoholic or regular abuser of alcohol/drugs to suffer, making the mistake ONCE of getting very drunk could potentially ruin your life or the lives of others.
Is the temporary high/enjoyment you get from drinking and using drugs really worth it? Many would argue its not, but the benifits of driving are seen to outweigh the costs, and there are legitimate arguments on both sides. The argument for drinking is not this two sided. Ask the kids whose fathers were killed by drunk drivers. One mistake behind the wheel can cause the death and/or injury of you or somebody else. Is it really worth it? many would argue not, but the benifits of driving are quite obvious, and it is a two sided argument. The arguments for drinking aren't two sided in nearly the same degree.
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eco wrote:Stringer wrote:simplicity16 wrote:simplicity16 wrote:
I was at a hotel once where a woman fell down the stairs because she had been drinking and lost balance. Don't remember much other than there was blood everywhere. My family had luckily been walking by so we called reception who called the ambulance I guess, so she survived. Otherwise, she probably would have bled to death. GREAT way to die.
Also, I know someone (well indirectly, happened to a friend of someone I know who doesn't drink) who got raped because she had been drinking heavily.
Ok this doesn't change mine or anyone else's view point, but don't want to be using fake examples: from what I was just told, the girl in my example wasn't raped... instead she had drunken sex and got pregnant. So the point is, drinking has awful consequences. It's not like you have to be a raging alcoholic or regular abuser of alcohol/drugs to suffer, making the mistake ONCE of getting very drunk could potentially ruin your life or the lives of others.
Is the temporary high/enjoyment you get from drinking and using drugs really worth it? Many would argue its not, but the benifits of driving are seen to outweigh the costs, and there are legitimate arguments on both sides. The argument for drinking is not this two sided. Ask the kids whose fathers were killed by drunk drivers. One mistake behind the wheel can cause the death and/or injury of you or somebody else. Is it really worth it? many would argue not, but the benifits of driving are quite obvious, and it is a two sided argument. The arguments for drinking aren't two sided in nearly the same degree. Says you. I enjoy drinking as do millions of others. I have had no adverse side-effects from drinking. Just because a tiny percentage of people misuse alcohol doesn't mean there is anything inherently wrong with alcohol.  1 in 84 chance of dying in a motor vehicle accident. 1 in 10,048 chance of dying from alcohol poisoning.
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Not a small percentage. Also, your stats, "motor vehicle accident" covers anything that can happen when you hit a car. Alcohol poisoning is the least bad thing that can happen to you from alcohol. Did you read the other side effects? They cover most of the top of the list in your picture.
Heart disease.
Cancer.
Causes car accidents.
Can cause basically any of the other things on that list.
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Except a bee sting... whered u get that list are you kidding me?
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eco wrote:Not a small percentage. Also, your stats, "motor vehicle accident" covers anything that can happen when you hit a car. Alcohol poisoning is the least bad thing that can happen to you from alcohol. Did you read the other side effects? They cover most of the top of the list in your picture.
Heart disease.
Cancer.
Causes car accidents.
Can cause basically any of the other things on that list. Responsible use of alcohol does not cause heart disease, cancer, car accidents, or anything else. Get a grip.
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simplicity16 wrote:simplicity16 wrote:
I was at a hotel once where a woman fell down the stairs because she had been drinking and lost balance. Don't remember much other than there was blood everywhere. My family had luckily been walking by so we called reception who called the ambulance I guess, so she survived. Otherwise, she probably would have bled to death. GREAT way to die.
Also, I know someone (well indirectly, happened to a friend of someone I know who doesn't drink) who got raped because she had been drinking heavily.
Ok this doesn't change mine or anyone else's view point, but don't want to be using fake examples: from what I was just told, the girl in my example wasn't raped... instead she had drunken sex and got pregnant. So the point is, drinking has awful consequences. It's not like you have to be a raging alcoholic or regular abuser of alcohol/drugs to suffer, making the mistake ONCE of getting very drunk could potentially ruin your life or the lives of others.
Is the temporary high/enjoyment you get from drinking and using drugs really worth it? Ask the kids whose fathers were killed by drunk drivers. OK so then don't make the mistake of getting really drunk, drink in moderation. Don't drink to the point where you don't remember what happened 2 minutes ago, drink to the point where you feel relaxed, but still in control. It's not my fault your friend was immature with alcohol, decided to get crapfaced and then had unprotected sex. As with anything in life BE SMART, and you will be fine.
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Stringer wrote:eco wrote:Not a small percentage. Also, your stats, "motor vehicle accident" covers anything that can happen when you hit a car. Alcohol poisoning is the least bad thing that can happen to you from alcohol. Did you read the other side effects? They cover most of the top of the list in your picture.
Heart disease.
Cancer.
Causes car accidents.
Can cause basically any of the other things on that list. Responsible use of alcohol does not cause heart disease, cancer, car accidents, or anything else. Get a grip. Responsible (if you mean not passed out) use of alcohol, over and extended period of time, increases risk of cancer and heart disease, cirrhosis, etc. you get a grip.
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bigbadsheep wrote:simplicity16 wrote:simplicity16 wrote:
I was at a hotel once where a woman fell down the stairs because she had been drinking and lost balance. Don't remember much other than there was blood everywhere. My family had luckily been walking by so we called reception who called the ambulance I guess, so she survived. Otherwise, she probably would have bled to death. GREAT way to die.
Also, I know someone (well indirectly, happened to a friend of someone I know who doesn't drink) who got raped because she had been drinking heavily.
Ok this doesn't change mine or anyone else's view point, but don't want to be using fake examples: from what I was just told, the girl in my example wasn't raped... instead she had drunken sex and got pregnant. So the point is, drinking has awful consequences. It's not like you have to be a raging alcoholic or regular abuser of alcohol/drugs to suffer, making the mistake ONCE of getting very drunk could potentially ruin your life or the lives of others.
Is the temporary high/enjoyment you get from drinking and using drugs really worth it? Ask the kids whose fathers were killed by drunk drivers. OK so then don't make the mistake of getting really drunk, drink in moderation. Don't drink to the point where you don't remember what happened 2 minutes ago, drink to the point where you feel relaxed, but still in control. It's not my fault your friend was immature with alcohol, decided to get crapfaced and then had unprotected sex. As with anything in life BE SMART, and you will be fine. Wait, you blamed ur friend's pregnancy on him? I think the idea is that.. this is what can happen.
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eco wrote:Stringer wrote:eco wrote:Not a small percentage. Also, your stats, "motor vehicle accident" covers anything that can happen when you hit a car. Alcohol poisoning is the least bad thing that can happen to you from alcohol. Did you read the other side effects? They cover most of the top of the list in your picture.
Heart disease.
Cancer.
Causes car accidents.
Can cause basically any of the other things on that list. Responsible use of alcohol does not cause heart disease, cancer, car accidents, or anything else. Get a grip. Responsible (if you mean not passed out) use of alcohol, over and extended period of time, increases risk of cancer and heart disease, cirrhosis, etc. you get a grip. Actually, no it doesn't. Quote:Research in various countries has found the all-cause mortality rates range from 16 to 28% lower among moderate drinkers than among abstainers[9][10][11][12] (Yuan).
The medical studies establishing this relationship are large (some include over 200,000 people), cross-cultural (have been conducted in countries around the world), and are sometimes long-term (the longest beginning in 1948 and continuing to this day).[13] Nice try though.
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