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Most law students need to have a 4 year bachelors degree before coming to law school, so it says in the university viewbooks anyways. My question is, would it be wise to do a 4 year BMOS degree at UWO and then apply to law school, or is an undergrad like BMOS 'below standards' and I would benefit more if I completed a degree in say, the arts? I know many times, people have said students enter law school with any type of degree, but I am still wondering.
Would it be wiser for me to do two years at BMOS, then apply to Ivey, see if I get in, and do two years of that, and then apply to law?
Would it be more "prestigous"?
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Any background is acceptable, but as for having some sort of "edge" an arts program with law would certainly prepare you more for what the style of work you'll be doing in law school. It might help to do another program, but that program wouldn't hurt either.
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So, your saying that an arts program would better prepare me for they type of academic environment they would do at law school than a business degree?
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Arts is more essays and elaborating on your thesis, which is what law would be along with learning the actual law. I'd think that'd better prepare you for doing the same thing in law school, but how similar would you say business is to that?
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ARMY101 wrote:Arts is more essays and elaborating on your thesis, which is what law would be along with learning the actual law. I'd think that'd better prepare you for doing the same thing in law school, but how similar would you say business is to that? depends. BMOS + Ivey is a good mix because Ivey is case-based, which is exactly what law school is. I'm not sure if BMOS by itself would be good prep.
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I don't intend any offense, but from my experience, lawyers and law students have consistently told me that a BA in law is among the most useless areas of study prior to law school. Their reason: 'everything' you learn in a BA in law, you will learn in your LLB or JD. It doesn't supplement your education as richly as other degrees. So, in the minds of some, it's just a waste of time to do a BA in law if you want to go to law school. But I suppose I will find out first-hand if I agree with this when I'm in law school this fall.
In retrospect, I think I would have greatly benefited by taking a few economics courses or finance courses in university. I'm currently a summer student at a law firm, and it turns out that even if you're doing human rights law, it helps to have some financial knowledge to have an idea of what you're garnishing from the opposing party, what sorts of assets they have, etc. So unless you have some intellectual interest in pursuing a BA, I would advise doing the BMOS simply for practicality's sake. Business students are generally unpleasant though :S
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ARMY101 wrote:Any background is acceptable, but as for having some sort of "edge" an arts program with law would certainly prepare you more for what the style of work you'll be doing in law school. Many officials at T1 American Law Schools have actually said the opposite.
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^Very true. At one point I was completely set on doing law and was researching the top American schools for months. And the thing that consistently came up was the fact that if you are worried about what to do in undergrad, it is best to study something that will make you stand out.
Thousands of people apply to law school each year with BAs, but far fewer people apply with backgrounds in the sciences, engineering, medicine, and even business. The top law schools (at least in the US) have made it very clear that they actually prefer applicants who are unique and able to stand out in terms of their undergrad education.
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chiefjustice wrote:I don't intend any offense, but from my experience, lawyers and law students have consistently told me that a BA in law is among the most useless areas of study prior to law school. Their reason: 'everything' you learn in a BA in law, you will learn in your LLB or JD. It doesn't supplement your education as richly as other degrees. So, in the minds of some, it's just a waste of time to do a BA in law if you want to go to law school. But I suppose I will find out first-hand if I agree with this when I'm in law school this fall.
In retrospect, I think I would have greatly benefited by taking a few economics courses or finance courses in university. I'm currently a summer student at a law firm, and it turns out that even if you're doing human rights law, it helps to have some financial knowledge to have an idea of what you're garnishing from the opposing party, what sorts of assets they have, etc. So unless you have some intellectual interest in pursuing a BA, I would advise doing the BMOS simply for practicality's sake. Business students are generally unpleasant though :S It is not my intention to study law if I were to choose BA as an undergrad. I was thinking of something along the lines of history, economics, languages, or maybe even ecology.
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goober88 wrote:^Very true. At one point I was completely set on doing law and was researching the top American schools for months. And the thing that consistently came up was the fact that if you are worried about what to do in undergrad, it is best to study something that will make you stand out.
Thousands of people apply to law school each year with BAs, but far fewer people apply with backgrounds in the sciences, engineering, medicine, and even business. The top law schools (at least in the US) have made it very clear that they actually prefer applicants who are unique and able to stand out in terms of their undergrad education. That's what I hear as well. I am just wondering in terms of Ontario universities, since that's where I have my sights on. US has hundreds of colleges and universities and variety in undergrad. studies goes a long way when applying to American law school. But I have a feeling that Ontario grad. school isn't that way, since there aren't as many universities, when compared to a state in the US. So I have a feeling that law schools know more about the type of undergrad. you take and the university you went to since it's more "tight knit". They won't be looking for variety in their classes, the will be looking at more on the quality of undergrad. education that you achieved. That's my guess anyways.
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22petal41 wrote:They won't be looking for variety in their classes, the will be looking at more on the quality of undergrad. education that you achieved.
Most of the applicants applying for the top law schools, whether they have BA, BBA/BCom, BSc, etc. degrees, have a high quality of undergrad education already. What's next is diversity, because a school doesn't need 100% BA students.
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a little random but not totally off-topic: how can I find out what undergrad major would be a better pick for someone considering law, a major in International Relations or just in Economics?
I wonder whether both will equally equip me with the analytical skills that one needs in general, but specifically to do well in Law since that is a strong option for me after undergrad.
IR is interdisciplinary (poli sci, econ, history)- and I'm unsure about whether this is good or bad. I can learn to connect between the 3 areas, but am afraid that what I gain in breadth of study, I will lose in depth.
Also, I wonder which major can provide better future opportunities after undergrad (in case plans for law school change).
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rory wrote:a little random but not totally off-topic: how can I find out what undergrad major would be a better pick for someone considering law, a major in International Relations or just in Economics?
I wonder whether both will equally equip me with the analytical skills that one needs in general, but specifically to do well in Law since that is a strong option for me after undergrad.
IR is interdisciplinary (poli sci, econ, history)- and I'm unsure about whether this is good or bad. I can learn to connect between the 3 areas, but am afraid that what I gain in breadth of study, I will lose in depth.
Also, I wonder which major can provide better future opportunities after undergrad (in case plans for law school change). Check some of the other posts for best preparation for analytical skills. Of your two options, I believe Economics is the better one for the LSAT. Depends on what you want to do. Diplomat, politician, economist, professor, envoy, adviser, etc.
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I personally think the HBA at Ivey is good for pre-law due to the amount of case work and rigor in class. However, the traditional BA-->Law route is fading, and more people are getting into law from sciences, math, engineering, etc. Take what interests you and will allow you to get a good GPA.
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Do what you like, and get good GPA. If you get into an Undergrad that you don't like, you won't get good marks, of course. Don't pick a lame major to get into the law school - competition in most universities make it very hard for you to get 3.7+ even in the most lame courses. As far as the LLB admission goes, they look at you as numbers (that is, 50% CGPA + 50% LSAT,) and they don't give a ***t whatever else, (unless you're applying to UofO!  )
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Law school loves engineers and scientists.
Just go somewhere that you'll enjoy. A Bachelors is a four/five year relationship... so be picky.
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It is essentially important for human beings to follow laws and orders without which a man can be brutal enough harm to others. It can be easily mentioned that law plays a vital role in arranging the mob in a systematic manner. So, one should never fail to follow laws of any kind, concerning anything. Shelly Smith ============================= Lawyer
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shelly123 wrote:It is essentially important for human beings to follow laws and orders without which a man can be brutal enough harm to others. It can be easily mentioned that law plays a vital role in arranging the mob in a systematic manner. So, one should never fail to follow laws of any kind, concerning anything. Shelly Smith ============================= Lawyer ...If you're an actual lawyer, I respect that statement. If you're someone pretending to be a lawyer, I sigh at your idealism. True, humans should follow laws and such if we want to live in a nice, peaceful, (sometimes dream to reside in an utopian) society. However, humanity is not the noble savage as proclaimed by Rousseau. We may be born in a state of tabula rasa (Locke), and exchange certain freedoms for safety... but when one thinks about it, I would have to (somewhat sadly) say that we are likelier to be all brutish, greedy, and evil creatures as described by Thomas Hobbes. If we are born as a blank slate, our experiences with people born in capitalism and striving for individuality cause one to become the state of evil and greedy and in doing so, show disregard and contempt for the law; even at times breaking it.
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dark.avalon wrote:However, humanity is not the noble savage as proclaimed by Rousseau. We may be born in a state of tabula rasa (Locke) Name dropping again...sigh It basically seems like you're trying to cram all the TOK you learned into one paragraph. Where's trotsky....haha
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dark.avalon wrote:shelly123 wrote:It is essentially important for human beings to follow laws and orders without which a man can be brutal enough harm to others. It can be easily mentioned that law plays a vital role in arranging the mob in a systematic manner. So, one should never fail to follow laws of any kind, concerning anything. Shelly Smith ============================= Lawyer ...If you're an actual lawyer, I respect that statement. If you're someone pretending to be a lawyer, I sigh at your idealism. True, humans should follow laws and such if we want to live in a nice, peaceful, (sometimes dream to reside in an utopian) society. However, humanity is not the noble savage as proclaimed by Rousseau. We may be born in a state of tabula rasa (Locke), and exchange certain freedoms for safety... but when one thinks about it, I would have to (somewhat sadly) say that we are likelier to be all brutish, greedy, and evil creatures as described by Thomas Hobbes. If we are born as a blank slate, our experiences with people born in capitalism and striving for individuality cause one to become the state of evil and greedy and in doing so, show disregard and contempt for the law; even at times breaking it. All this just to reply to a spam bot?
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