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Punmaster
Posted: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 1:39:18 AM

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How much does things like leadership and extracurricular activities weigh when compared to your grades?

I know that these things make the deal when you are apply to a program that you only meet the minimum requirements for.
For example, you are applying to a program that requires 85% when your average is 80-85.I also know that there are programs that individually selects its students (such as engineering at UW), in which case I would imagine extracurricular activities must play a great role in as well.

I am not a person who does a lot of the extracurricular activities, at least none that will help me get into university. This is because I spend a lot of time with other things that I (I know I'll sound selfish here) care more about. I am the president of our school's anime club, co-president of the art club (which will not exist next year because our staff sponsor is being sent to another school, and no other teacher is willing to replace her). I am also in yearbook but not an executive member. I am also on a sport team.

In terms of community involvement, I do have some records, but not a lot. I have 60 hours, which is a drop in the bucket compared to all the members on this forum. The quality of those hours are not impressive either. Most of it is done by shelving books and helping out at the Ontario Summer games, all done in my gr.9 year. I also see some university wanting things that are done in the 2 most recent years, which I have about 7 hours worth.
I did do more, but I don't think those things can be recorded. For example, I helped out a music class for a whole year during my spare. At the time it didn't occur to me that this could count towards my community involvement, all I wanted to do was to meet the new comers of music and help them out with their instruments.

I just looked at the past year's "Additional Information Form" to my most desired program, which is computer science co-op at waterloo. I went through the sheets and realized that I have absolutely nothing to say about extracurricular activities and leadership skills. The web site says that students are individually selected from the low 80s. my average has always been in the high 80s and last year it was a 90. I don't expect my grades to be any problem, but I am worried sick about my community involvement.

I never thought a lot about community service and the likes because I am just not one of those person. I do help out (such as the music class example) but I have never looked for ways to do so just to pad up my hours and resume. I am not necessarily hunting down scholarship either because I know those are for people who do have the leadership skills and community involvement.

here is the web site for CS @ UW
http://findoutmore.uwaterloo.ca/programs/full_description.php?program=Computer%20Science

any opinions or advice would be great, I need to figure out what I have to do. Thank you for reading

Bachelor of Computer Science and definitely not commerce/business/management ________ '14
Macgirl
Posted: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 8:34:35 AM

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1) Grades matter more than your extracurriculars.
2) It's not like you don't have any extracurriculars smile

They will take your grades into account first. They'll be weighted higher than your extracurriculars. I'm sure that not everyone that gets accepted to the program had a lot of outstanding extracurriculars-they probably just want to see that you have some interests outside school and are a well rounded person.

It's all about how you word things too. Being president of the anime club? That's leadership skills right there-you're running a club. That's something to be proud of-even if the club requires very little of your time, and there isn't much involved, they're not going to know that. Play up the leadership role-don't lie or anything, but try and come up with a list of anything you've done with the club and think of the most positive way you can put it.

Co-president of the art club? Another leadership role. And it helps that they are 'special interest' groups-you're demonstrating that you can work your way up to a leadership role, and showing that you have a genuine interest in the arts.

Yearbook staff? You might not be in a leadership role with this one, but you're still involved. Not every position you have has to be a leadership role-in fact, it might look good that you have a variety, it shows you can both lead and follow-very important.

And sports...well it shows yet another side of your character! Teamwork, athletic ability, dedication.

As for volunteering in the past two years...write down the music thing. Just because it's not part of your 'community service hours' that you submitted to your highschool doesn't mean it can't be used. I just stopped filling out the forms after grade eleven (I had a huge number of hours) and I still used all my volunteer stuff from grade 12. They don't go back and check through your sheets at your highschool. They might check up on some of the things you say-in which case you could give them contact info for the music volunteering you did.

The trick is how you look at things. You've got more than enough to work with smile

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Macgirl
Posted: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 8:35:47 AM

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Oh and just keep up what you're doing for grade 12 (forgot to add that). Get as involved as you can, keep your marks up, and you'll be in no problem!

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kyleh
Posted: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 10:10:49 AM

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If your applying to scholarships though, for many grades count for next to nothing. Your ecs and volunteer experiences are what will set you apart.

Biological and Medical Science UWO 2012
xfl300
Posted: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 1:14:55 PM
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I can't speak about other programs, but if you're applying to Business/Commerce programs, it has a significant weight.

Your marks will help you get over the cut-off point, but your acceptance is based on your EC.

Queen's Commerce 2011
Kaylya
Posted: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 11:37:11 PM

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Waterloo tends to work more on the basis of good EC's making up for grades that are more borderline rather than EC's being really required. I don't believe that you've got any reason to worry about getting into any CS program with high 80's+ grades with some EC's.

Remember that it often takes just as long to do a search or two on Google to try and find the answer to your question as it takes to type it in a post here, let alone the time waiting for a reply.
If your question is "What mark does it take to get into University X", or "What are the requirements to get into University X", it's on their website and/or electronicinfo.ca (for Ontario schools). Particularly for Ontario schools, those ranges are a pretty good picture of what kind of mark will get you into the program, and if you're more than a couple percent higher it's practically guaranteed unless it requires a supplementary form.


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