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Miss
Posted: Friday, June 27, 2008 10:41:45 AM

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um I've got a friend who works at staples and all the managers at her place have b.a.s in like pol. sci, sociology, which is a total waste, but yeah. I dont' know if they've settled, or if its temp for them, but that's how it is right now.
It really depends on what you do in either college or university, agreeing with future eng to an extent and what u want to do. BAs are a must if you want to go on to law school, or be involved in public admin. but a lotta places are now asking for masters from arts students, and there are so many students that there is a greater supply than demand, although this applies to any degree...
College is good if you want a more technical, hands-on job. if you want examples, go to the gov't's website, jobfutures.ca

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Stringer
Posted: Friday, June 27, 2008 10:44:22 AM

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Miss wrote:
um I've got a friend who works at staples and all the managers at her place have b.a.s in like pol. sci, sociology, which is a total waste, but yeah. I dont' know if they've settled, or if its temp for them, but that's how it is right now.
It really depends on what you do in either college or university, agreeing with future eng to an extent and what u want to do. BAs are a must if you want to go on to law school, or be involved in public admin. but a lotta places are now asking for masters from arts students, and there are so many students that there is a greater supply than demand, although this applies to any degree...
College is good if you want a more technical, hands-on job. if you want examples, go to the gov't's website, jobfutures.ca


You don't need an Arts degree to go to law school, or be involved in public admin. Any undergrad degree will do.

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Redrose27
Posted: Friday, June 27, 2008 10:52:42 AM

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i haven't been following the whole conversation but have been reading some of the last few parts. I know a lot of people with bba degrees who are still jobless/who haven't found relevant work even after a half year of graduating. And for BSc students it's just as bad---the only people i can think of who are getting fairly good jobs with just an undergrad degree are engineers actually. Nowadays if you want a very good job it's fairly important to have a degree or qualifications beyond simply a bachelor's degree, and that goes for any field. I was actually surprised that people with bachelor of science degrees weren't finding meaningful work experience because i had thought their jobs would be in demand but the people i know got hired for things like lab work and assistance and such and, even then, they preferred college applicants who had gone through the technician process and everything. For most good paying jobs an undergrad won't make you stand out.

It also likely depends upon what your area of study was as well. someone here posted a while back the different incomes for different degrees and people who had studied economics did fairly well coming out of their undergrad. Economics falls under Arts doesn't it?
Stringer
Posted: Friday, June 27, 2008 10:57:42 AM

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Just out of curiousity, how do you know these BBAs who don't have jobs, what schools did they go to, and where do they currently work?

Yes, Economics is an Arts discipline, although at WLU is falls under the School of Business & Economics.

-Stringer
Redrose27
Posted: Friday, June 27, 2008 11:05:35 AM

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my friend did her bba at wlu and graduated two years ago. she had fairly good marks but the jobs she was offered weren't good at all. In the end she just stuck with the same job she had had since before university at a bank (though she had moved up since her starting position there, considering she has something like 5 years of work experience there)--RBC i believe? Now she's looking for other work because her job there isn't really suiting her anymore---she's looking into work at the border---the jobs she's looking for now just require a university degree, there's nothing specific to a bba that she's been able to find, she doesn't want to go pursue an mba at the moment, but the only job she was able to get that was fairly good was one that she had already had worked at and connections in. Her job prospects would not have been different had she pursued a BA.

My dad himself got an MBA and though most of his classmates did find jobs within a year of graduating, he knew several who couldn't find relevant work and had to settle for jobs they could have gotten with other degrees. business degrees are getting very common right now and a lot of the jobs are based simply on how you network.
seamoraine
Posted: Friday, June 27, 2008 11:07:50 AM

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Is it me, or is the job market in Canada not doing so well currently?
So it’s not just the BA peeps who are suffering, I think. I've known kids that are part of harder programs, have gone through the whole co-op process, were part of the dean's list and even completed a few major examinations and it's been a year - and still, no job. I guess it's really all about luck. Or maybe that's what they want you to believe haha. Either way, if you're just starting off, chances are you're not going to get into the field you want to go into straight away. It takes a couple of years, and hopefully a couple more degrees under your belt, to get into your line of work. It doesn't necessarily have to be the case, but I can say that about a lot of people.

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Stringer
Posted: Friday, June 27, 2008 11:29:22 AM

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What was she offered and what is she trying to get into?

MBAs are entirely dependent on where you get them from. An MBA from Queen's is completely different than one from say WLU.

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Stringer
Posted: Friday, June 27, 2008 11:30:12 AM

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seamoraine wrote:
Is it me, or is the job market in Canada not doing so well currently?


Job market is fine. I think the problem is many students don't know how to go about finding employment. You can't just send out a few resumes and expect your dream job to land in your lap.

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JB
Posted: Friday, June 27, 2008 1:02:23 PM
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You don't need an Arts degree to go to law school, or be involved in public admin. Any undergrad degree will do.

You don't need a degree to get into law school.
Stringer
Posted: Friday, June 27, 2008 1:56:03 PM

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JB wrote:
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You don't need an Arts degree to go to law school, or be involved in public admin. Any undergrad degree will do.

You don't need a degree to get into law school.


This is true, but it definitely helps, especially if you want to go while you're young. I think you can go after 2 years of undergrad if you're an exceptional student as well.

-Stringer
Future Eng
Posted: Friday, June 27, 2008 4:27:05 PM
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the fact that you know French was a tremendous help in your getting your admin job. Sure you may have needed a degree but French is what put you over the top. Good for you!

In many places in Canada French is so wonderful to have.

Most teachers in Ontario cannot find work but if they have French they have their pick of jobs.

My sister graduated from Lakehead in concurrent education last year with French and school boards were all over her with job offers. Yet her friends without French cannot find even enough supply work.
Miss
Posted: Saturday, June 28, 2008 8:51:49 PM

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well even engineers are going thru a bit of a slump i think...
It took a lot of my brother's eng. friends 6 months to find a job, with a few of them even relocating to like northern ontario (mining) and Alberta. one of htem is even working for best buy as the tech guy cuz he couldn't find anything specifically related to engineering. I know a lot of electrical/tech related jobs are going to asia/middle east right now.

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Future Eng
Posted: Saturday, June 28, 2008 9:00:32 PM
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Yes, I hear Sudbury is booming and are looking for mining engineers. It's one of the places I may find work if there is still the need in 4 years.
ARMY101
Posted: Saturday, June 28, 2008 9:22:23 PM

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Sudbury is far from booming. It's a dying mining town. Give it 10 years from the time the mines run out that the city is a ghost town. It's already crumbling and falling apart.

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Future Eng
Posted: Saturday, June 28, 2008 10:00:24 PM
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Where have you been? Do a google "is Sudbury booming" and then read The Star report.

Why would you even say such a dumb thing on a public bb? The place is far from dying.

Have you been there recently. I highly doubt it.

ARMY101
Posted: Saturday, June 28, 2008 10:41:51 PM

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Yes, I have been there fairly recently. Even if I hadn't been there for a while, the economy and infrastructure has been falling apart for a while now.

Carleton University Class of 2012, Honours Bachelor of Arts
Stringer
Posted: Sunday, June 29, 2008 4:47:20 PM

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D.Dickin wrote:
Yes, I have been there fairly recently. Even if I hadn't been there for a while, the economy and infrastructure has been falling apart for a while now.


Really?

http://www.thestar.com/article/426845



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Future Eng
Posted: Sunday, June 29, 2008 8:25:41 PM
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Thank you Stringer!

I was there not long ago and the place was booming or so I thought. So I am not losing my mind - this is good to know especially since I may want to work there. LOL
GGG
Posted: Sunday, July 20, 2008 10:37:12 PM

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um where would Bmath be beneficial? in finance probably?!

Also, stringer i thought you were in 2nd year wlu bba, but you got the degree?? wa ewat?

anyways i want to be an accountant, and be actively involved in various investments. Would Bmath help at all? (investment part)

DD


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