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Redrose27
Posted: Thursday, May 01, 2008 7:42:16 PM

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the bit about the pickles really just trashed your argument d.dickin
Shismo
Posted: Thursday, May 01, 2008 8:57:26 PM

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Stringer wrote:

Without unions, employees can basically be treated like garbage. Why would a company pay somebody more than minimum wage when there's a line around the block with people willing to work for minimum wage?



There are many companies that run just as fine without unions, and the employees are happy and well treated as well...

I strongly doubt that the country's best employers are all unionized. for example, the only automaker to make the top 100 employers list is Toyota, the company who's employees voted against unionization.

One problem is that management and unions usually have a highly adversarial relationship, and nothing gets done. Another is that some workers who should be let go, are hard to fire, and standout workers can be stifled by seniority. Just another example, but we had a teacher who had two B.A.'s and an M.A (in Geography IIRC), raised more money for fundraisers than anyone else and was a great teacher, yet he was forced to go to an inner city school to teach parenting because his spot at our school would be taken by someone who's worked for the union longer...
D.Dickin
Posted: Friday, May 02, 2008 8:53:49 AM

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bigbadsheep wrote:
D.Dickins, where the hell do you get your facts? You make some of the most outrageous arguments I've ever heard. The job of a union is not to create an environment where workers work less for more pay, they are there to ensure fair, equal treatment.
Example: My friend worked at a certain grocery store's deli section. He cut his finger badly using the deli slicer and had to go to hospital to get it taken care of. As a result of his injury, the grocery store decided to cut back his hours, and not give him any compensation for the time he was off. It turned out to be the company's fault for providing insufficient training, and they were also missing a piece of safety equipment(it was one of those chainmail type gloves you need to wear when cutting). He went to his union and was able to get paid for the shifts he'd been denied since it was their fault he'd been injured.
OH YEAHHH!!! Unions are really a detriment to society.


I didn't say that was their only purpose. In places where incidents such as this one happen, the union definitely helped him. However, the same investigation could have been conducted by the heath and safety committee and reported their findings to WSIB and Management. Then the person would have been paid for their time off and also the shifts.

(P.S. How do you know it was them "cutting back his shifts" rather than them giving him recovery time for the injury?)

Carleton University Class of 2012, Honours Bachelor of Arts


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