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eco wrote:Stringer wrote:eco wrote:Stringer wrote:eco wrote:Well I think what I said applies to everything but pot, which might just make you a bit slower. More I meant the sort term issues, eg. what you do while you;re that phooeyd. There are plenty of drugs without serious long-term effects if used appropriately. As for short-term effects, those are the point of using the drugs. If you don't like the effect of the drug, don't use it. That said, how can you know if you like or dislike it if you've never tried it? Please describe an "appropriate" use of any drug. Followed by a reasoning behind why they are not legal, if they are appropriate. Also, I mean the bad short term effects. Serious injury, embarrasment, breaking the law, death, etc. as opposed to the good ones, "you feel cool". Appropriate use? How about using it within reason so there are no serious, negative consequences? What that means depend on you and your tolerance level. Personally, I can hammer back a 12-pack and have a great time with no real negative side effects. I can take a few bong hits without anything happening other than being in a different mindset. I have also ingested shrooms and had nothing but a great time, and of course, no negative side effects. Why are drugs illegal? First of all, alcohol is legal. For illegal drugs, I suggest you watch the History Channel mini-series Hooked: Illegal Drugs and How They Got That Way. Many drugs are illegal for reasons completely unrelated to their effects. For example, marijuana was used as a way to target minority groups (specifically blacks and Mexican immigrants) and have them arrested and/or extradited. The reality is the only information on drugs you have was provided to you by the government which is notorious for its anti-drug propaganda. haha, the site u posted.. .thats a tiny bit inconsistant. And no, scientific studies just as much. Anyway, if you;re regularly "hammering back 12 packs" and doing pot and shrooms, you will have negative side effects, you just dont notice them yet. Some time, maybe you hammer back a beer or 2 too many, and get hit by a car, or hit someone with a car, or fall off a balcony, trust me DUMB CRAP happens when u screw with ur brain. more than u tihnk. Maybe that doesnt happen, either way, the long term effects are there. What are you talking about? Why would I get hit by a car? Have you ever been drunk? Do you know what it's like at all? I never drive drunk, and why would I ever fall off a balcony? Drink within your limits and you'll be fine. What long-term effects are you talking about? Please, fill me in.
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Stringer wrote:eco wrote:Stringer wrote:eco wrote:Stringer wrote:eco wrote:Well I think what I said applies to everything but pot, which might just make you a bit slower. More I meant the sort term issues, eg. what you do while you;re that phooeyd. There are plenty of drugs without serious long-term effects if used appropriately. As for short-term effects, those are the point of using the drugs. If you don't like the effect of the drug, don't use it. That said, how can you know if you like or dislike it if you've never tried it? Please describe an "appropriate" use of any drug. Followed by a reasoning behind why they are not legal, if they are appropriate. Also, I mean the bad short term effects. Serious injury, embarrasment, breaking the law, death, etc. as opposed to the good ones, "you feel cool". Appropriate use? How about using it within reason so there are no serious, negative consequences? What that means depend on you and your tolerance level. Personally, I can hammer back a 12-pack and have a great time with no real negative side effects. I can take a few bong hits without anything happening other than being in a different mindset. I have also ingested shrooms and had nothing but a great time, and of course, no negative side effects. Why are drugs illegal? First of all, alcohol is legal. For illegal drugs, I suggest you watch the History Channel mini-series Hooked: Illegal Drugs and How They Got That Way. Many drugs are illegal for reasons completely unrelated to their effects. For example, marijuana was used as a way to target minority groups (specifically blacks and Mexican immigrants) and have them arrested and/or extradited. The reality is the only information on drugs you have was provided to you by the government which is notorious for its anti-drug propaganda. haha, the site u posted.. .thats a tiny bit inconsistant. And no, scientific studies just as much. Anyway, if you;re regularly "hammering back 12 packs" and doing pot and shrooms, you will have negative side effects, you just dont notice them yet. Some time, maybe you hammer back a beer or 2 too many, and get hit by a car, or hit someone with a car, or fall off a balcony, trust me DUMB CRAP happens when u screw with ur brain. more than u tihnk. Maybe that doesnt happen, either way, the long term effects are there. What are you talking about? Why would I get hit by a car? Have you ever been drunk? Do you know what it's like at all? I never drive drunk, and why would I ever fall off a balcony? Drink within your limits and you'll be fine. What long-term effects are you talking about? Please, fill me in. Okay, so. if you drink within ur limits, of course. And yes, i've been drunk, and i have gone too far one 1 or 2 occasions. Accidents happen all the time where someone will fall down the stairs and concuss tehmselves, or fall off something, wander into a road, if you get phooeyed enuff. You may control yourself, many do not. Long term; all sorts of brain damage, dulling, comlpicatinos stomach, the liver and the pancreas cirrhosis of course the most common. gastritis cance rin many places have raised risks im tired, but google it, its actually amazing what im reading.
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eco wrote:Okay, so. if you drink within ur limits, of course. And yes, i've been drunk, and i have gone too far one 1 or 2 occasions. Accidents happen all the time where someone will fall down the stairs and concuss tehmselves, or fall off something, wander into a road, if you get phooeyed enuff. You may control yourself, many do not.
Long term;
all sorts of brain damage, dulling, comlpicatinos
stomach, the liver and the pancreas
cirrhosis of course the most common. gastritis
cance rin many places have raised risks
im tired, but google it, its actually amazing what im reading. Clearly you two aren't about to agree on this. But eco you must have really had some bad experiences the few times you experimented with alcohol. Of the ... probably hundreds of times i've been drunk i've only had 1 or 2 bad experiences and i'm a bad example owing to the fact i used to be ...emotionally unfit and drinking only intensified that. Many of my friends have never had a bad experience and we drink 2 or 3 times a week. Wander into a road? You would have to be just stupid. If you're a smart person then you wont do that. Even if you're really drunk. When a smart person is drunk enough to do that they have passed out. Just don't be an idiot and things will work out. PS I hope you don't plan on getting into this argument with people in university beacuse many of them will just say f*ck off and crush another beer.
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NEM99 wrote:eco wrote:I think the moral is, if you don't want to be scared out of your mind and/or get screwed over in life by a criminal record... don't commit crimes? People make mistakes. I doubt most people on here were really intending to break the law when they were arrested. They weren't intending to break the law? What were they trying to do?
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D.Dickin wrote:NEM99 wrote:eco wrote:I think the moral is, if you don't want to be scared out of your mind and/or get screwed over in life by a criminal record... don't commit crimes? People make mistakes. I doubt most people on here were really intending to break the law when they were arrested. They weren't intending to break the law? What were they trying to do? Acting on impulses? A great deal of crime is comitted by people who didn't really carefully consider what they were doing and acted on an impulse (why mandatory minimum sentences, etc. aren't that great of a deterrent). And psychologists will back me up in saying that impulse control is something that doesn't tend to finish developing until the late teens/early 20's. Shoplifitng is very often impulsive, as opposed to carefully planned out. By which I mean that the decision to shoplift is made seconds before grabbing the item and not before entering the store. And that's before getting into kleptomania.
 
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Kaylya wrote:D.Dickin wrote:NEM99 wrote:eco wrote:I think the moral is, if you don't want to be scared out of your mind and/or get screwed over in life by a criminal record... don't commit crimes? People make mistakes. I doubt most people on here were really intending to break the law when they were arrested. They weren't intending to break the law? What were they trying to do? Acting on impulses? A great deal of crime is comitted by people who didn't really carefully consider what they were doing and acted on an impulse (why mandatory minimum sentences, etc. aren't that great of a deterrent). And psychologists will back me up in saying that impulse control is something that doesn't tend to finish developing until the late teens/early 20's. Shoplifitng is very often impulsive, as opposed to carefully planned out. By which I mean that the decision to shoplift is made seconds before grabbing the item and not before entering the store. And that's before getting into kleptomania. Yeah, definitely. I had no intention of shoplifting before I entered the store... It just came to me on an impulse after I took the item. I *did* have second thoughts though, but then I was just really idiotic and thought I could get away with it.
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NEM99 wrote:eco wrote:Okay, so. if you drink within ur limits, of course. And yes, i've been drunk, and i have gone too far one 1 or 2 occasions. Accidents happen all the time where someone will fall down the stairs and concuss tehmselves, or fall off something, wander into a road, if you get phooeyed enuff. You may control yourself, many do not.
Long term;
all sorts of brain damage, dulling, comlpicatinos
stomach, the liver and the pancreas
cirrhosis of course the most common. gastritis
cance rin many places have raised risks
im tired, but google it, its actually amazing what im reading. Clearly you two aren't about to agree on this. But eco you must have really had some bad experiences the few times you experimented with alcohol. Of the ... probably hundreds of times i've been drunk i've only had 1 or 2 bad experiences and i'm a bad example owing to the fact i used to be ...emotionally unfit and drinking only intensified that. Many of my friends have never had a bad experience and we drink 2 or 3 times a week. Wander into a road? You would have to be just stupid. If you're a smart person then you wont do that. Even if you're really drunk. When a smart person is drunk enough to do that they have passed out. Just don't be an idiot and things will work out. PS I hope you don't plan on getting into this argument with people in university beacuse many of them will just say f*ck off and crush another beer. haha def not. and trust me, its not that hard to stuble onto the road if ur that drunk... and the people I drink with are a smarter bunch of kids than most. I haven't had bad experiences for the most part, but I see lots of close calls.
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