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As most people know, Quebec has been wanting to be seperated from Canada for years. My family is from Quebec so i show no discrimination. I however live in Kingston. I have noticed, as most probably do, that signs in Ontario have to be bilingual, whereas in Quebec they are just French. My guess is that Quebec has many scholarships that exclude the rest of Canada, and only reward them to citizens from Quebec. Just a guess, to me it makes no sense either, because if we want Quebec to continue to be apart of Canada, shouldn't we enclude, not exclude?
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Its not a matter of the rest of Canada including Quebec, its Quebec's unwillingness to be included. The rest of Canada would be more than happy to share in the liberties and oppertunities that organisations such as studentawards.com and their listed award providors so generously offer, but Quebec insists on being isolated even if it means lowered oppertunities for their citizens.
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andariel wrote:it's so wierd how Quebec law always makes sure to separate them from Canada
i dream of a united nation...
but seriously i feel bad for all the Quebecois (is that how you spell it) students having to suffer because they life in a province where legislature is so exclusive i wouldn't feel so bad for them, looking at the low tuition rates they get...
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Quebec is a fantastic place. i went to MTL for march break and i had the best time of my life. i can't believe how much changes when you cross a border. no wonder a lot of americans think it snows 365 days a year in canada.
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I'm not sure why we still can't share all of the same things with Quebec sometimes, their separatists movement isn't really happening anymore.
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I dunno....why do you guys want to be a different country? lol...just kd. Im sure there is some reason,, maybe you have benefits ontario doesnt?
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Yes. This is kind of unfair. >w<
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good question....
now this kinda got me thinkin abt the events happenning...
any of u guys think tat.... Quebec will protest when Olympics 2010 come close?
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D.Dickin wrote:Their separatist attitude self-discriminates.
That, and their education system doesn't accept a lot of Canadian-based scholarships (see above reason). I don't like the whole separatist comment. But, what are you going to do. It feels like maybe someone is close minded.
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mchartt wrote:D.Dickin wrote:Their separatist attitude self-discriminates.
That, and their education system doesn't accept a lot of Canadian-based scholarships (see above reason). I don't like the whole separatist comment. But, what are you going to do. It feels like maybe someone is close minded. what part of what he said was not factual though? quebec is very adamant on ensuring that their cultural and educational (and most other things as well) programs are STRICTLY under quebecois control (provided of course the rest of canada chips in and pays for a good chunk of it). They've got many conditions that are quite unfair within the province of quebec itself. The canadian government has tried to please them through many different means, be it making mandatory french language translations on all signs and products, or acknowledging their symbolic status as a nation within a united canada, yet there are still discriminatory policies within quebec itself (e.g. giving students from FRANCE better tuition rates than students from the rest of canada, having only french mandatory on signs and products, preventing many non-quebecois businesses or organizations from running programs, etc.) These are all separatist attitudes and it leads to situations like these where they cannot enter contests and such simply because they have made it near impossible for companies and businesses to do so.
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Lol, there are plenty of reasons. Notice how many of the competitions exclude Quebec? In any case, I'm not too worried, I'm sure there are plenty of opportunities there as well.
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ive always wondered that too....like most contests u see it almost always says *excluding Quebec* kinda sucks...used to live there but not anymore ...yay me im eligible for this contest =)
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Redrose27 wrote:
what part of what he said was not factual though?
quebec is very adamant on ensuring that their cultural and educational (and most other things as well) programs are STRICTLY under quebecois control (provided of course the rest of canada chips in and pays for a good chunk of it). They've got many conditions that are quite unfair within the province of quebec itself. The canadian government has tried to please them through many different means, be it making mandatory french language translations on all signs and products, or acknowledging their symbolic status as a nation within a united canada, yet there are still discriminatory policies within quebec itself (e.g. giving students from FRANCE better tuition rates than students from the rest of canada, having only french mandatory on signs and products, preventing many non-quebecois businesses or organizations from running programs, etc.) These are all separatist attitudes and it leads to situations like these where they cannot enter contests and such simply because they have made it near impossible for companies and businesses to do so.
But look at it from their point-of-view. They're not trying to discriminate against the rest of Canada or even the English speaking people of their province. They're trying to save their heritage. They are surrounded by the English culture and so just to keep the young generation French, they must "having only french mandatory on signs and products, preventing many non-quebecois businesses or organizations from running programs, etc.". If they didn't, then they would slowly lose their culture, similar to the Aboriginals losing theirs. Everybody agrees that it's a shame, but no one would complain if the Natives tried to stay culturally aloof. And when you consider Quebec didn't even have a choice to join Canada...
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M4TT wrote:Redrose27 wrote:
what part of what he said was not factual though?
quebec is very adamant on ensuring that their cultural and educational (and most other things as well) programs are STRICTLY under quebecois control (provided of course the rest of canada chips in and pays for a good chunk of it). They've got many conditions that are quite unfair within the province of quebec itself. The canadian government has tried to please them through many different means, be it making mandatory french language translations on all signs and products, or acknowledging their symbolic status as a nation within a united canada, yet there are still discriminatory policies within quebec itself (e.g. giving students from FRANCE better tuition rates than students from the rest of canada, having only french mandatory on signs and products, preventing many non-quebecois businesses or organizations from running programs, etc.) These are all separatist attitudes and it leads to situations like these where they cannot enter contests and such simply because they have made it near impossible for companies and businesses to do so.
But look at it from their point-of-view. They're not trying to discriminate against the rest of Canada or even the English speaking people of their province. They're trying to save their heritage. They are surrounded by the English culture and so just to keep the young generation French, they must "having only french mandatory on signs and products, preventing many non-quebecois businesses or organizations from running programs, etc.". If they didn't, then they would slowly lose their culture, similar to the Aboriginals losing theirs. Everybody agrees that it's a shame, but no one would complain if the Natives tried to stay culturally aloof. And when you consider Quebec didn't even have a choice to join Canada... there's nothing wrong with cultural preservation; in fact i value that as well. it's when they value their culture above their country and that value is reflected in their laws that i have problems with
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The laws came first.
And I'm not disputing that certain laws (like the topic of this forum) are wrong. Every province has bad laws. The only one you ever hear about is Quebec though, because it either brings out the inclusionist or racist part of citizens (residents?) or other provinces.
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M4TT wrote:The laws came first.
And I'm not disputing that certain laws (like the topic of this forum) are wrong. Every province has bad laws. The only one you ever hear about is Quebec though, because it either brings out the inclusionist or racist part of citizens (residents?) or other provinces. well quebec is the most vocal in its separatist attitude, which is probably why you hear about it more. and, as far as i know, there aren't really any non-quebec universities that charge canadians more than local citizens, or people from other countries less than other canadians
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There are some Quebec universities that charge more for out of province students?
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Tellayarn wrote:There are some Quebec universities that charge more for out of province students? quebec residents at mcgill pay 1800. non-quebecois canadians at mcgill pay 5100 non-canadian, non-quebecois students from FRANCE pay 1800. seems unfair, doesn't it?
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Tellayarn wrote:There are some Quebec universities that charge more for out of province students? All of them do.
 
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