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Lingey90
Posted: July 4, 2009 12:58:36 AM
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Hi,

Can anyone provide me with some pros and cons of taking an honors psych program?

(i've been accepted into another program (nursing) and i must make a decision by monday morning...so i need some help)

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AppleTini-
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Pros:
-Plenty of careers with a background in Psychology
-An Honours degree looks good to potential employers and you will usually require an Honours degree to get into graduate school, if you choose to go that route
-It's an interesting program

Cons:
-A large program?

All in all, you need to be interested in whatever you take in university. If you're not interested in something, no matter how 'popular' it is, you're not going to enjoy it and the chances are that you won't do very well either.

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Lingey90
Posted: July 4, 2009 1:07:24 AM
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I was also thinking that a con would be the length of time it takes to become a psychologist. I like psychology so it's not like i will have to force myself into liking the subject matter (but i also like nursing which is why i dont know what to do). Another con is what happens if i dont get into grad school (and what grades/how many people get into grad school anyway)? i heard that there arent many jobs out there for people who take only a basic 4 year psych degree
AppleTini-
Posted: July 4, 2009 1:19:37 AM
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That's not necessarily true. With a Psych degree, yes it'll be difficult to get into anything directly Psych related (psychologist, counselor, etc.) because you'll need additional training. However you can become a teacher, you can get into marketing, you can get into advertising, you can get into public relations, etc. The possibilities are endless. No degree is useless. It depends on what type of person you are.

In terms of how difficult it is to get into graduate school for Psych, I wouldn't say it's extremely difficult or anything. I'd say that a GPA of ~3.5 should get you into most Psych grad programs. It really depends on the school, though.

You don't necessarily need to become a Psychologist if you're going to study Psych. There are always many, many people who get Psych degrees. They all go and do their own thing. I know a few people who have a B.A./B.Sc. in Psychology. They did the following: high school teacher, went to get their MBA, went to grad school, went into advertising, became a therapist, got into social work, etc.


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McG2012
Posted: July 4, 2009 1:46:42 AM
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AppleTini- wrote:
That's not necessarily true. With a Psych degree, yes it'll be difficult to get into anything directly Psych related (psychologist, counselor, etc.) because you'll need additional training. However you can become a teacher, you can get into marketing, you can get into advertising, you can get into public relations, etc. The possibilities are endless. No degree is useless. It depends on what type of person you are.


Teacher - Bachelor of Education
Marketing - Bachelor of Commerce
Advertising - Bachelor of Commerce
Public Relations - Bachelor of Arts (Communications)

If you're applying for a job and someone with these qualifications is competing against you, you are unlikely to get the job with a psychology degree.

The program is also difficult as they try to weed out quite a few students to leave a small pool for grad school and an even smaller one for doctoral studies.

A BA in psych is not going to get you any work in the field, itself.
Lingey90
Posted: July 4, 2009 8:45:56 AM
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Lingey90 wrote:
McG2012 wrote:
The program is also difficult as they try to weed out quite a few students to leave a small pool for grad school and an even smaller one for doctoral studies.

Does anyone know roughly how many people taking an Honors Specialization Psych (I say 'honors spec.' instead of the 'major' program because i'm assuming that most grad schools consider the honors specialization more than the major) ultimately end up in grad school? and end up getting their PhD?
AppleTini-
Posted: July 4, 2009 1:05:29 PM
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Lingey90 wrote:
Lingey90 wrote:
McG2012 wrote:
The program is also difficult as they try to weed out quite a few students to leave a small pool for grad school and an even smaller one for doctoral studies.

Does anyone know roughly how many people taking an Honors Specialization Psych (I say 'honors spec.' instead of the 'major' program because i'm assuming that most grad schools consider the honors specialization more than the major) ultimately end up in grad school? and end up getting their PhD?


I don't even know why this number matters. There is one person FOR SURE that does go on to do this. So why not strive to be that person? Why not strive to be all that you can be? Do what you want to do, no matter what the odds are.

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McG2012
Posted: July 4, 2009 11:35:17 PM
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AppleTini- wrote:
Lingey90 wrote:
Lingey90 wrote:
McG2012 wrote:
The program is also difficult as they try to weed out quite a few students to leave a small pool for grad school and an even smaller one for doctoral studies.

Does anyone know roughly how many people taking an Honors Specialization Psych (I say 'honors spec.' instead of the 'major' program because i'm assuming that most grad schools consider the honors specialization more than the major) ultimately end up in grad school? and end up getting their PhD?


I don't even know why this number matters. There is one person FOR SURE that does go on to do this. So why not strive to be that person? Why not strive to be all that you can be? Do what you want to do, no matter what the odds are.


Perhaps the same reason I do not dare pursue a career in philosophy, history, etc. Supply and demand. Supply and demand.
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Posted: July 5, 2009 12:03:53 AM
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That may be the case but I'd advise someone to pursue a career in Philosophy, History, etc. over Business or another popular career choice if that's what they love to do.

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dark.avalon
Posted: July 8, 2009 3:15:25 PM
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Go for what your passion is. If you take something due to external influences, you might be making the largest mistake in your career path. Yes, it might be possible to change it, but it'll be much more difficult.

Nursing despite sounding terrible is actually a fairly vigorous program. I know people who are going into that field from Second year and it has much higher requirements than one would originally suspect. The GPA required to enter nursing is similar to that of a graduate Medical School, around 3.7 for U of T and they only accept about 80 students or a small number who transfer from other streams in the Third Year I was told. The main difference between nursing and medicine is the focus. Nursing focuses on talking and interacting with patients, while medicine deals with treatment.

For those individuals that listed pro/cons of psychology - to become a psychologist requires at least a Masters (rare) and most of the times requires a PhD or PsyD. Psychiatry requires an MD and for the other jobs such as teacher, I believe they are already listed.

Main differences between psychiatry and psychology:
1 - The former has a MD, the latter a PhD/PsyD (both are graduate degrees).
2 - The former can give out medication, the latter cannot.
3 - The latter focuses on treatment via emotional and social counseling, the former on medication and physical manipulation (e.g. chemicals and hormones via medication).

Pick whichever is right for you (whoever started this Post... too lazy to check).

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lampardtheman
Posted: July 12, 2009 6:05:28 PM
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Mind me for going a little off topic, but it looks like I can choose from 5 psych courses in my freshman year at mcgill. I m all confused right now as to which one I should be taking. There is the intro level course; should i be taking that or PSYC 215 (Social Psychology) ? What's the differences? I havn't decided if I want to major in psychology yet/ Help!
karla
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The intro course is probably a prereq for a number of upper courses, I would take that first
dark.avalon
Posted: July 13, 2009 10:52:04 AM
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karla wrote:
The intro course is probably a prereq for a number of upper courses, I would take that first
Agreed.

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hexogen
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take nursing instead of psychology, psychology=unemployment

I am in first year university and therefore may give amazing advice.

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dark.avalon
Posted: July 14, 2009 10:47:25 AM
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hexogen wrote:
take nursing instead of psychology, psychology=unemployment
Stop giving out unfeasible advice, hexogen.
Medicine vs nursing is one thing. Psychology vs. Nursing is another. They may be seem to be both service types of careers that gear towards helping people, but the paths taken for education is different. As well, there are differences in the jobs.
Nursing is a much more competitive program to get into if not accepted for First Year, even if it is for non-university post-secondary institutions such as colleges.
For psychology... it will depend on the degree you get. Undergraduate degrees will result in less job opportunities than PhD degrees due to requiring a PhD/PsyD to become a psychologist. If I recall, there was a source that said psychologists and psychiatrists are going to be more needed in the future due to the increasing work stresses and problems people are encountering.

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Ju
Posted: July 15, 2009 4:14:51 PM
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dark.avalon wrote:
hexogen wrote:
take nursing instead of psychology, psychology=unemployment
Stop giving out unfeasible advice, hexogen.
Medicine vs nursing is one thing. Psychology vs. Nursing is another. They may be seem to be both service types of careers that gear towards helping people, but the paths taken for education is different. As well, there are differences in the jobs.
Nursing is a much more competitive program to get into if not accepted for First Year, even if it is for non-university post-secondary institutions such as colleges.
For psychology... it will depend on the degree you get. Undergraduate degrees will result in less job opportunities than PhD degrees due to requiring a PhD/PsyD to become a psychologist. If I recall, there was a source that said psychologists and psychiatrists are going to be more needed in the future due to the increasing work stresses and problems people are encountering.


What you said regarding the field of psychology is true. The field of psychology will have more and more job openings in the future, which means the demand in this occupation is increasing. However, getting a graduate degree is competitive. I am exactly trapped in this kind of situation. Now, with a psych B.A. and applying to M.Ed. in 2 months. If I don't get accepted into grad school for the first time I'll re-apply the 2nd and even the 3rd time. But, after 3 times of failure, I'll just go with a B.A. Because I do have many years of academic research experience, I'd still be able to find a job in the academia (ie. research assistant position), but I can't be a counsellor/psychologist. This is the downside of a psych graduate degree, is competitive and no way out unless you don't mind end up doing something totally unrelated to psychology for the rest of your life. worry
dark.avalon
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Ju wrote:
dark.avalon wrote:
hexogen wrote:
take nursing instead of psychology, psychology=unemployment
Stop giving out unfeasible advice, hexogen.
Medicine vs nursing is one thing. Psychology vs. Nursing is another. They may be seem to be both service types of careers that gear towards helping people, but the paths taken for education is different. As well, there are differences in the jobs.
Nursing is a much more competitive program to get into if not accepted for First Year, even if it is for non-university post-secondary institutions such as colleges.
For psychology... it will depend on the degree you get. Undergraduate degrees will result in less job opportunities than PhD degrees due to requiring a PhD/PsyD to become a psychologist. If I recall, there was a source that said psychologists and psychiatrists are going to be more needed in the future due to the increasing work stresses and problems people are encountering.
What you said regarding the field of psychology is true. The field of psychology will have more and more job openings in the future, which means the demand in this occupation is increasing. However, getting a graduate degree is competitive. I am exactly trapped in this kind of situation. Now, with a psych B.A. and applying to M.Ed. in 2 months. If I don't get accepted into grad school for the first time I'll re-apply the 2nd and even the 3rd time. But, after 3 times of failure, I'll just go with a B.A. Because I do have many years of academic research experience, I'd still be able to find a job in the academia (ie. research assistant position), but I can't be a counsellor/psychologist. This is the downside of a psych graduate degree, is competitive and no way out unless you don't mind end up doing something totally unrelated to psychology for the rest of your life. worry
Well, I guess it's a good thing there are 3-4 career paths I am deciding upon, with the basis for most being a B.A. in Psychology and 2 possibilities for minors, one which can switch to a major depending.

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Ju
Posted: July 16, 2009 11:47:37 AM
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dark.avalon wrote:
Ju wrote:
dark.avalon wrote:
hexogen wrote:
take nursing instead of psychology, psychology=unemployment
Stop giving out unfeasible advice, hexogen.
Medicine vs nursing is one thing. Psychology vs. Nursing is another. They may be seem to be both service types of careers that gear towards helping people, but the paths taken for education is different. As well, there are differences in the jobs.
Nursing is a much more competitive program to get into if not accepted for First Year, even if it is for non-university post-secondary institutions such as colleges.
For psychology... it will depend on the degree you get. Undergraduate degrees will result in less job opportunities than PhD degrees due to requiring a PhD/PsyD to become a psychologist. If I recall, there was a source that said psychologists and psychiatrists are going to be more needed in the future due to the increasing work stresses and problems people are encountering.
What you said regarding the field of psychology is true. The field of psychology will have more and more job openings in the future, which means the demand in this occupation is increasing. However, getting a graduate degree is competitive. I am exactly trapped in this kind of situation. Now, with a psych B.A. and applying to M.Ed. in 2 months. If I don't get accepted into grad school for the first time I'll re-apply the 2nd and even the 3rd time. But, after 3 times of failure, I'll just go with a B.A. Because I do have many years of academic research experience, I'd still be able to find a job in the academia (ie. research assistant position), but I can't be a counsellor/psychologist. This is the downside of a psych graduate degree, is competitive and no way out unless you don't mind end up doing something totally unrelated to psychology for the rest of your life. worry
Well, I guess it's a good thing there are 3-4 career paths I am deciding upon, with the basis for most being a B.A. in Psychology and 2 possibilities for minors, one which can switch to a major depending.


Well, I don't regret choosing psychology as my major. If I have to choose my major again, I'd choose the same thing. In fact, I don't think I am interested in any other field other than psychology. Psychology B.A. is not completely useless. I believe people can jobs with any degrees, it just takes time.
dark.avalon
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Ju wrote:
Well, I don't regret choosing psychology as my major. If I have to choose my major again, I'd choose the same thing. In fact, I don't think I am interested in any other field other than psychology. Psychology B.A. is not completely useless. I believe people can jobs with any degrees, it just takes time.
True. How much does the typical psychology text book for PSYC 100 cost (new and used conditions if you know both)? I know that I get the one I'm going to use - Psychology: First Canadian Edition by David Myers online (in an annoying package with an unneeded study guide) at $130 or so, but the amount for the study guide is a waste and was wondering if it was better to wait and buy from the library. Thanks.

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Ju
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dark.avalon wrote:
Ju wrote:
Well, I don't regret choosing psychology as my major. If I have to choose my major again, I'd choose the same thing. In fact, I don't think I am interested in any other field other than psychology. Psychology B.A. is not completely useless. I believe people can jobs with any degrees, it just takes time.
True. How much does the typical psychology text book for PSYC 100 cost (new and used conditions if you know both)? I know that I get the one I'm going to use - Psychology: First Canadian Edition by David Myers online (in an annoying package with an unneeded study guide) at $130 or so, but the amount for the study guide is a waste and was wondering if it was better to wait and buy from the library. Thanks.


Yes, I know textbooks are expensive and they change edition every single year, but since it is an intro course the basic materials are all the same. I don't know about used ones, but new ones typically a little bit over $100 at the UBC Bookstore. Actually, I found the study guide useful; I did all the questions and kept up with the materials and ended up with a decent mark in psyc 100.

If you want cheaper books 1) buy used one from the UBC Bookstore (but I doubt they have used ones because they change their edition almost every single year) 2) buy used ones from other people who used the same book 3) if you are living in Vancouver, you can go to UBC Village, there's the discount bookstore (near McDonald in the UBC Village) they sell brand new books but is cheaper than UBC Bookstore


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